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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#2301: Sep 21st 2012 at 9:00:41 AM

Finished Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom. It can be called many things; porn is not one of them. There is some onscreen sex between adults though it can hardly be called titillating. The sex is played entirely to show how depraved the libertines are. Also, as I have stated before, its Criterion Collection release leads me to believe that it falls under the "Classics" exemption. It gets a provisional angelhead, on condition of leaving it locked due to the content.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
jkbeta from right behind you Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#2302: Sep 21st 2012 at 9:12:57 AM

That Gundam manga looks like another bad flag, from what I can tell.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2303: Sep 23rd 2012 at 3:57:59 PM

I reflagged Hitomi. In retrospect, while it's shitty and there's some rape stuff going on I don't think it's quite porn. There's a little too much story. This was my original analysis. My personal opinion is that it's not bad enough to need a cut, but should probably stay locked and be cleaned if necessary.

If you have further questions feel free to ask me. I don't know what you need to know about it except that I don't think the porn to story ratio quite puts it into porn territory.

edited 23rd Sep '12 4:21:09 PM by Arha

tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#2304: Sep 24th 2012 at 10:32:59 PM

Arha: Is Hitomi the full title? I can't find it on VNDB.

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#2305: Sep 24th 2012 at 10:35:56 PM

Here it is.

The full title is Gimai - Hitomi or Hitomi - My Stepsister.

tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#2306: Sep 24th 2012 at 10:59:04 PM

OK, thanks. That's...quite the laundry list of tags. Most of them are "Eh, whatever" with regards to the guidelines; what concerns me is the "nukige" tag (read: Porn Without Plot).

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2307: Sep 25th 2012 at 6:38:27 AM

I don't think that's accurate. The plot might be kinda weak but the nukige I've seen are basically just one sex scene following another for the entire story.

Morganite Something strange... from Dynamis - Firefly Alley Since: May, 2012
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#2308: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:05:29 AM

I've become a bit wary of that sort of thing, after seeing Porn Without Plot on a story that contained no porn...

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#2309: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:16:37 AM

[up]Do you have evidence to back that statement up?

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#2310: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:49:19 AM

Not handy. `.` I believe it was on Pages Pending For Perusal By P 5 where someone described The Mating Frenzy that way.

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#2311: Sep 26th 2012 at 9:39:18 AM

Page is cut. Got another?

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Morganite Something strange... from Dynamis - Firefly Alley Since: May, 2012
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#2312: Sep 26th 2012 at 9:56:22 AM

Nope. (I could probably point to a couple other series I enjoy for the plot which seem to have been cut for being plotless, but in those cases it's only implied.)

I'm not really trying to say anything about a particular work here anyway. (I haven't even played this particular game... Not sure I'd even heard of it before actually.) Just that I think people sometimes throw that label around a bit too freely, and so I am wary of it.

"So... the time has come for you to meet your demise..."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2313: Sep 26th 2012 at 10:10:55 AM

VNDB is of dubious reliability. Is there a relatively high amount of sex? Sure. Is it just sex? No.

NineThePuma Since: Feb, 2011
#2314: Sep 26th 2012 at 10:47:42 AM

EDIT: too tired. Thought that Mating Frenzy was discussed as cut, and was like "no, it's right here."

edited 26th Sep '12 10:50:53 AM by NineThePuma

NineThePuma Since: Feb, 2011
#2315: Sep 26th 2012 at 1:52:46 PM

Going to double post, and officially petition for the restoration of Lotte No Omocha.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2316: Sep 26th 2012 at 2:04:49 PM

Didn't we say earlier in this thread that we would need the full 5P body here for a review of Lotte?

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#2317: Sep 26th 2012 at 2:17:17 PM

[up]I won't pretend to speak for the others, but I don't think it's necessary. AFAIK, when it last came up, we were still only operating with three members.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2318: Sep 26th 2012 at 2:37:31 PM

If you and Meeble both vote against it (assuming Discar and Komodin's opinions haven't changed) then you'll be deadlocked, though. And that seems pretty likely to me.

shadis Since: Jun, 2012
#2319: Sep 26th 2012 at 2:54:30 PM

[up]If it gets dead locked at least it would prompt action regarding our missing 5p member.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#2320: Sep 26th 2012 at 4:02:45 PM

@Septimus: Pyrite (the one appealing it last) was the one who said he wanted to wait for a 5.

@Arha: Let's not prejudge tdgoodrich's reaction before he votes.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2321: Sep 26th 2012 at 4:10:30 PM

I am inclined to wait for a full team here, simply because if it deadlocks, we are just back to square one with no new information to make a definitive call here.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#2322: Sep 26th 2012 at 4:12:14 PM

@Septimus Heap: Eh, we could always submit it to tdgoodrich.

The previous deadlock was a 2-1 in favor of keeping the anime. (The manga, IIRC, had "go directly to hell, do not pass go" stamped on it.)

@tdgoodrich 1: Sorry if I sound like I'm laying everything on you, it's just the possibility of finally laying this particular discussion to rest getting me all excited.

edited 26th Sep '12 4:14:03 PM by Ramidel

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#2323: Sep 26th 2012 at 4:28:41 PM

As I recall it, both the anime and manga were being voted on. I can't remember if it was the anime or the manga that was worse, I recall hearing reports both ways.

NineThePuma Since: Feb, 2011
#2324: Sep 26th 2012 at 4:36:18 PM

Manga was decidedly more crude, with the anime being overall cleaner, but Meeble had issues with it.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2325: Sep 26th 2012 at 5:14:05 PM

I haven't prejudged anything. If Meeble's vote is also going to stay the same, then there's a 50 percent chance of deadlock if you just ignore prior voting habits.

And yeah, the manga was pretty doomed. The anime was in much grayer territory.

edited 26th Sep '12 5:14:28 PM by Arha


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