Batman General Discussion

Goddess of truth. and that one time she poured acid into her eyes to fight Medusa.

...and I don't even read Wonderwoman.

So anybody know any good comics where Batman isn't supposed to be as crazy as his rogues gallery?

Depends on what you mean by that. In the Killing Joke the Joker claims Batman is as crazy as he is, but I think most people would agree the comic actually shows Joker to be wrong. And a lot of the best recent comic books have small suggestions Batman might not be completely mentally well, but it's usually ambigous and not a large part of the story. So it's hard to remember offhand which ones do and which ones don't.

Saying that the Steve Englehart/ Marshall Rogers original run is classic and it's from before people started questioning the sanity of a man who dresses up as a Bat.

I love the old Alan Grant/Norm Breyfogle Batman stories.

The Bronze Age Batman stuff is pretty good. Other than the Steve Engleheart/Marshall Rogers run, there is also Mike W. Barr's run. I've read issues of it online and they are pretty good.

There is also the DCAU-tine in comics. Those are great aswell.

Batman isn't portrayed as nearly as insane as the criminal he catches in those books (at least from the issues I've read).

So I hear Bruce Wayne can't cook. This I must see.

I'll admit that when it comes to individual moments, I'm pretty bad at tracking them down. I mostly find random moments that I really like when searching for others and picking up a bunch of random issues.

For random funny moments, especially in Batman of all things, it's rare that I find them. There's a whole host of Alfred moments that I was only able to find as single panels online rather than the issues they're from. So can anyone direct me to certain issues or stories or such?

I remember that being posted on Scans Daily on one point. I'll try to search for it.

I think it was in Batman: Family.

He can't handle laundry either, as shown during the Moench/Kelley Jones run while Alfred was away post Knightfall.

Eh, I'm fine with him being a terrible Chef and a bit of a slob but I think he should at least be able to do laundry. Afterall, Alfred wasn't always tailing behind when he went globe trotting. He could have gone to any restaruent he wants to eat but laundry is something he would have to do by himself.

Also I've tried but still no luck on finding that issue where Batman fails at cooking.

To be honest, he was having issues with a washing machine. Since he tended to train in the wilderness and such, I'd bet he'd have no problems with washing clothes by hand.

Gotta request some help:

I was never allowed to read comics growing up. So I'm trying to play catch up on all that I have missed. The problem is I am also very OCD. If it's a serial, I have to read in order or it twitches me out.

Can anyone help me find a complete listing of the Batman comics in omnibus or serial form? I've been trying to find one, but either they're not in any order or they're incomplete.

There's a torrent out there with all of the Batman comics. You could use that?

Sadly it doesn't have anything past a certain point in Morrison's run or Detective Comics' stuff. Or the million and a half spinoffs.

"So anybody know any good comics where Batman isn't supposed to be as crazy as his rogues gallery?"

Morrison's Batman operates under the idea that Batman's not crazy so much as obssessed.

To be fair, it depends on your definition of crazy. If you mean something like "He's not Bruce but Batman" stuff then no dice, sorry.

I know this sounds crazy, but I don't torrent anything. I hate reading on computers anyway. I love me some books. Last move I had over 3000 books.

Well the only other solution's looking for stuff in Amazon.

I'd recommend to just pick good runs though. They are normally very self-contained and there's exposition when needed really

So what are people's thoughts on the Outsiders as a concept?

Is it good? Is it bad? Is it unnecessary? Is it outdated now that Batman Inc has come into being? Is it just waiting for a good writer to develop it?

I really think all the current Batman writers need to sit down together and say "Okay, this is the Batmobile, this is what it looks like". Seriously it seems that the Batmobile totally changes shape between Batman, Detective Comics, Dark Knight, Batman and Robin and Batman Inc. It really annoys me.

Artists, not writers. It's rare that the Batmobile ever has looked consistent. Even if they try there's no gurantee; drawing cars well I'd t necessarily a requirement for being a comic book artist.

I remember there was that one point in Hush where they rush to the garage and there's maybe a dozen and a half different Batmobile designs in there (one of my favorite moments, actually). And that was in the early 2000's, I'm sure there's been even more added since then.

Phooey, I prefer it when he had just one model and maybe had 2-3 copies of it in storage. I refuse to believe that Bruce could just swipe all that technology from his company constantly without someone noticing it.

Although lately, it has been said that Steel helps him with the technology. Now there is something I would like to see developed more.

edited 30th Jul '12 1:26:38 PM by TheDrifter

Isn't the "Bruce revealed to the public he's funding Batman" thing still in canon? He doesn't have to 'secretly swipe' anymore, right?

edited 30th Jul '12 10:17:43 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

Even before that he's been shown having a garage full of Batmobiles of several models. See: 'Heart of Hush' and 'Hush' for examples.

It's rare that there's been any effort at all to make the Batmobile look consistent. The garage full of Batmobile's started as a reference to all the car models he's been shown using.

From what I understand: it wasn't until the late 90's and the 00's that they started showing him having garages filled with all sorts of Batmobile models. Prior to that, he's always had that one model that he uses to drive. It usually took a few years before he started driving with some new models.

edited 12th Aug '12 1:01:38 PM by TheDrifter

That's because before then, he only had two titles, Batman and Detective, to regularly star in (he rarely used Batmobiles in Justice League, and Batman Family focused more on other characters IIRC). That made easier for the artists to coordinate notes on what the Batmobile should look like. Once his titles skyrocketed up, so did the art discrepancies, that were eventually chalked up to multiple Batmobiles.

edited 31st Jul '12 5:15:22 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

I blame the lack of co-ordination for that than just the rising number of titles.

Also I miss the days when Batman didn't star in 45 different books at the same time. I hope the crazy hype dies down soon.

edited 1st Aug '12 2:50:56 AM by TheDrifter