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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:52:14 PM
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Gay couples, unlike hetero couples, rarely have children by accident (and often have to jump through hoops like adoption or fertilization), so they usually want them when they have them. On the other hand, society still pressures hetero parents to stay together for the kids. So I'd guess that the average gay couple with children is a lot more stable than the average hetero couple with children, due to internal and external selection.
edited 24th Aug '15 7:00:45 AM by Khudzlin
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"Honey. I accidentally adopted a dozen babies"
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
The law in the night
This is the set up of the next Netflix family show.
Speaking of which anyone here watching sense8, I've been getting good reviews but I was warned it gets more sexy time than Go T.
edited 24th Aug '15 10:43:30 AM by AngelusNox
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Polarstern adopted four instead of the originally intended three.
She went to get the youngest child and he wouldn't leave without his best friend so she took him too.
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That's cute as hell
Oh really when?
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edited 24th Aug '15 10:47:52 AM by Aszur
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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Oregon Catholic School changing their hiring policy
after outcry from students and community following their pulling a job offer from a lesbian counselor.
Students and high-profile donor Tim Boyle, CEO of Columbia Sportswear, had earlier condemned the choice not to employ 27-year-old Lauren Brown.
In response, administrators brought the board together and recommended members vote to expand the hiring policy.
Administrators have filled the position they originally offered to Brown, academy President Christina Friedhoff said, but will be reaching out to Brown and her attorney to discuss options for reconciliation.
In July, the Roman Catholic high school reversed its plans to make Brown an academic adviser after learning she was gay, the job applicant said. Friedhoff said the decision was made when Brown indicated she intends to get married.
Brown's attorney said the 27-year-old had accepted the position in April and signed an employment contract. Friedhoff said the position was offered in April and a contract was sent to Brown, but administrators never received a signed copy.
Regardless of the precise reason or whether Brown had signed a contract, the decision not to hire her didn't sit well with students. St. Mary's families learned about the situation Tuesday night when the administration emailed parents.
About a dozen students showed up Wednesday morning to decorate a statue outside the school with rainbow heart glasses and a St. Mary's hoodie with "FREE TO BE ME" taped on the front. The teens said the decision didn't reflect the social justice values of St. Mary's.
The original decision could have had financial implications for the school. Major donor Tim Boyle, CEO of Columbia Sportswear, said Wednesday afternoon in a statement that he and his wife had been "extremely disappointed" and believed the original decision should be reversed.
"Recently, one of us participated in a successful public forum hosted by St. Mary's addressing how to prepare St. Mary's students for the work force of the future," Boyle said in a statement to The Oregon Live. "The news this week is an example of how to not prepare students. There is no place in the workplace of today, or of the future, for discriminating against an individual based on sexual orientation."
The law in the night
Why not both?
A procrastination in of itself
Students being upset may tend to be ignored, but actual student protests are another thing entirely. Especially when you've got something that liable to gain momentum like this, I mean you've got protests pretty much as soon as people find out, that's the kind of thing that's gonna snowball fast unless dealt with.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Two articles have an interesting explanation of why Catholics tend to be far more supportive of homosexuals and gay marriage than their church would like.
First, to Catholics, family values are absolutely vital, and that means that, increasingly, allowing homosexuals to partake in marriage and family life is becoming more important than excluding them from having sex or marrying. Ironically, it seems that the ideas of supporting traditional marriage and excluding gays from that institution are appearing incompatible, especially in a Church that has refocused on promoting family support.
Second, the sex scandals in the Church are damaging the Church's authority on sexual topics. When the Pedophile Priest is becoming the face of the Catholic Church, and the Church is seen as complicit in protecting the priests in question, the idea that the bishops who allowed this to go on can preach on sexual topics looks blatantly hypocritical.
Third, the idea of equal dignity for everyone, including homosexuals, is "a thoroughly Christian principle" and Catholics are warming to the idea that, theologically, loving sex is a sacrament regardless of whether it involves a man and a woman. (Personally, I kind of doubt that theology is what's driving this, but that's me.)
Myself, I think that it's because Catholicism emphasizes both reason and empathy to a much greater degree than most other religions, and both traits make it a lot harder to hate something that there is absolutely no good reason to hate. Of course, unlike most openly gay-friendly churches, the Catholic Church as an institution can't just reverse course and still maintain its claim of moral authority even if most of the Church no longer holds to its views on an issue. It's been compared to a supertanker in the Filum Romanum thread; myself, I'd argue that the Catholic Church admitting that it was wrong about a point of doctrine is really damn hard. Not because it's a supertanker, but because it claims infallibility and near-infallibility on a lot of important points, and admitting "we were wrong, here's why, and here's what we're going to say going forward" contradicts that.
edited 28th Aug '15 7:23:03 AM by Ramidel
I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
It's about about infallibility, sure, but I'd argue it's more about a permanent unwillingness to abandon the sacred tradition (because admitting a point of doctrine being wrong would cause a loss of authority, as well as a loss of the Holy Spirit:
And if the Church is not fully willing to give communion to the divorced, I can't see things changing in regards to homosexuality. Paul's teachings also play a significant part here.
Yeah, it's not so much about theology as it is simply about loving and accepting homosexuals, even if folks don't necessarily approve of the sexual acts. My mom even said to all of us that, if any of us became a LGBT person, she would accept us and continue to love us, otherwise she would feel she's a bad mother.
I completely agree with those first two points you've made. It's probably why Pope Francis decided to not talk too much about sexual topics, since he feels the Church needs to recover some of the lost authority (and, perhaps more importantly, bring a lot of people back into the Church, in an active way).
Also, two things:
1 - At the end of the article by The Week, it alludes to greed. No way the Church is going to agree with that (and I agree with the Church - greed has led and leads to things like corruption, environmental damage and the increasing divide between the 1% and everyone else).
2 - It's interesting to see how people talk a lot about Ireland and Australia, but don't talk about Portugal and Spainnote , who are/were generally conservative, yet approved gay marriage, abortion and so forth (the current battle is in the area of adoption by same-sex couples).
edited 28th Aug '15 7:56:24 AM by Quag15
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Speaking from personal experience, catholics do seem to be anti gay until they realize one of their family members is gay and then they go like "oh damn I dun goofd"
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
The law in the night
Not much mention of Latin America either, Brazil and Argentina are by far the largest catholic countries.
Yeah, I see it on my family as well, acting in favor of gays as long as it isn't on our family.
edited 28th Aug '15 11:48:59 AM by AngelusNox
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A procrastination in of itself
I'd say a 4th point is that the Catholic Church kinda lost this fight already. The Catholic Church tried before to enforce its specific definition of marriage on people, it lost and has kinda come to accept that. The line between Church and State for Catholics was drawn long ago and has been accepted.
The Catholic Church lost control of the institution of marriage when divorce was legalised, this isn't new for them.
edited 28th Aug '15 4:52:38 PM by Silasw
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
That too.
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https://sg.news.yahoo.com/catholics-urged-reject-same-sex-000000789.html
The local RCC church doesn't want this to happen, but wants people to respect LGB Ts without ostracizing them.
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Many serious Catholics seem to agree that the Church has done a—to put it very mildly indeed—lousy job of catechesis over the last couple of generations, to the point that one no longer expects the average cradle Catholic to have a firm grip on what the Church teaches, much less why it's taught.
In other words, unfortunately, examining what the average Catholic thinks is no longer an adequate way of gauging the state or the progress of Catholic doctrine.
"She was the kind of dame they write similes about." —Pterodactyl Jones
One of my relatives think that the main reason why the Philippines is so pro-gay is cause most of the priests over here are gay. (They just won't admit it.)
Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
The Supreme Court has ruled against Kim Davis, the Kentucky woman who refuses to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples due to her religious beliefs.
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Well. Yeah. Ok. Everyone saw this ocming.
But when are they going to DO something about it?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Whenever it suits Kentucky state government, I imagine ... IF it suits them (no doubt it will). To mangle a saying: the judicial branch proposes, but the executive branch disposes. Or as President Jackson put it, "Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it."
"She was the kind of dame they write similes about." —Pterodactyl Jones
I don't like people hating against her for it.
But now that she lost, I'd rather she just sign the papers or resign, because jail for a year seems rather unfair.
It's not really about her, it's about the people coming to her. But if the government is forcing her to do something she's against, she could always get another job.
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She's abusing her position to engage in bigotry. No sympathy from me. At least now that it's illegal as well as immoral, something can be done to stop her.
