LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

@Max: the funny thing is, agnostics like me find christians woefully misguided

watch us all 3 be right and Buddha manifests to slap us all.

edited 27th Jun '13 2:48:13 PM by midgetsnowman

Everything he said, except replace "agnostic" with "atheist."

edited 27th Jun '13 2:46:17 PM by math792d

Well, personally, I think you're all woefully misguided.

We're tropers: of course we're horribly misguided. We love fiction... and, the worse evil, talking about that, too.

I think the moral of the story is we're all crazy. But at least we have fun together.

Crazy hug?

We are family! I got all my tropers with me! Sing it with me......

So were not the Super Friends then? Good, that show was an affront to the Justice League.

@Midget Snowman: I don't find Christianity as misguided as many, (who knows it could be true, even if it's story contradicts a lot of what we know about how physics, morality, biology etc work...) even though I'm agnostic. I actually find conservative beliefs more misguided than Christian ones. Mostly cause I think it's too bent on preserving social rules and a view of normality that should not be preserved IMO.

edited 27th Jun '13 3:06:03 PM by Wildcard

I think it depends on area, too. I've heard more than one story of liberal leaning christians in my hometown discovering theyre no longer welcome at church after protesting a preacher pretty much blatantly telling his flock to go voter republican.

edited 27th Jun '13 3:08:01 PM by midgetsnowman

Um, quick nitpick. It doesn't contradict anything we know, so much as it clashes with a lot of our accepted assumptions.

Er. yes it does, Max. Theres no way modern geology and biology can work at all if the whole 6 days of creation/creation ex nihilo/all animals created by god in first 6 days thing is correct.

similarly, there could be no worldwide flood only Noah's family survived because genetics tells us humanity cant possibly have survived a genetic bottleneck like that.

hellm, same with the animals. One breeding pair isnt enough for genetic viability.

edited 27th Jun '13 3:11:54 PM by midgetsnowman

God could have caused it all to happen in 6 days, with the whole omnipotence and all.

Meh, my church has been saying y'all literalists be bitches for ages now, so hey.

As far as I care, it's a) in the realm of possibility for the type of deity we're talking about and b) doesn't really matter either way. If it happened, awesome, and in the meantime I'll study how things run on autopilot because we can actually use that.

edited 27th Jun '13 3:16:12 PM by Pykrete

Yes. But that brings in tiny issues to science like "well, if the rules can be suspended at gods whims, then the rules dont really exist at all, do they?"

or more succintly, Science cant prove that either way, so has to assume the rules are unchanging or else we wouldnt get very far navel gazing about it forever.

edited 27th Jun '13 3:15:24 PM by midgetsnowman

And I'm OK with that.

I'm not. if the universe only functions as it does because God says so, then I can safely say I'd rather he just killed us all and got it over with, because I dislike being toyed with.

Seriously? The notion of the laws of the universe being more plastic than you thought they were is enough to make you actually wish we were all dead?

Technically that is true, if biology etc are wrong and the bible is right literally than anything we know would just be our assumptions.

@Max: How is it over in NYC? A lot of celebrating people out there?

That would be one of the two big issues with that, the other being that he intervenes sometimes and not in others. I have my own head canon for the latter, though.

@Pykrete: I'd rather not be at the whims of a god I dont plan on worshipping.

Also, you could use that argument for any god, not just the capital G.

I mean, when you consider how much the laws of the universe like laughing at our struggles, you'd think Odin was running the place or something

And see, what you call a Game Over, I'd call a New Game Plus. If stuff is getting messed with, I'd want to watch, not ragequit.

It's not like we control gravity without a God anyways :P

Its not the watching I'm worried about. Its either burning in hell or being forced to worship mindlessly in heaven.

edited 27th Jun '13 3:25:29 PM by midgetsnowman

No. Strangely, the right-wing Christian seems more happy about it than most, and technically this is a defeat of our (Christians') way of life.

Or....in spite of our great scientific knowledge, it's probably a drop in an ocean of the total rules of nature out there. Things might be possible not because the rules are shit, but simply because there are other rules we haven't touched yet.

God did create us in his image. I truly take the Gene Roddenberry view that as we develop, if we don't destroy ourselves, we truly will accomplish things worthy of God himself. That's not blasphemy, Jesus said "You will accomplish wonders even greater than these."

Since then we've kicked the ass of polio, walked on the Moon, we can outrun sound, and we develop computers that can do some pretty creepily outrageous things. Seems Jesus knew something.

edited 27th Jun '13 3:34:08 PM by TheStarshipMaxima