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Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.
Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.
Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:52:14 PM
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Come on, the Venn diagram overlap between "Violently homophobic", "mentally unstable" and "weapons owner" isn't that large, right?
...Right?
Happy New Year!
While I'm against political censorship of quote unquote 'hate speech' on libertarian principle. I certainly believe something's got to give when people are openly endorsing murder and armed insurgent.
Didn't Orson Scott Card say a national gay marriage ruling would justify armed revolution? Or something equally batshit.
edited 14th May '13 7:43:32 AM by joeyjojo
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I remember reading he said that anti-gay laws should be kept on the books to keep them in line. Or something like that.
Kinda like how Jim Crow kept the darkies in line.
right? right? *cough*
edited 14th May '13 7:56:05 AM by Midgetsnowman
Happy New Year!
Oh he is definitely morally opposed to repealing sodomy laws.[1]
On a related note the film adaption of Enders Game coming out in November. Anyone else pumped?
edited 14th May '13 7:58:35 AM by joeyjojo
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I'm morally opposed to putting money in his pocket.
According to the other wiki, he did say gay marriage laws warrant armed revolution. Why is it that these people are always crazy stupid,and never reverse there car in to there own house or fall off high places stupid?
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If that's an issue for you. Just buy a ticket for Paranormal Activity 5 and then going into other theatre or something.
Quite frankly I found a found a lot gay subtext in Enders Game, And I read it long before I started to heard about his political views. But maybe that was me reading onto things.
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I find those most heavily in the closet are the ones most ardently opposed to gays.
seconded.
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Is possible that Orson Scott Card is in denial. I doubt it but.
You were referring to Orson Scott Card right?
edited 14th May '13 8:34:40 AM by joeyjojo
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If the movie is any good, I'll wait for the DVD release.
I think that's what midget was implying, I was agreeing more generally.
wouldn't that still give him money?
edited 14th May '13 8:57:10 AM by lonesomepaire
There is a fine line between damning a work and damning it's creator. I adored the Ender's Game series, and I didn't notice anything about homosexuality in there.
(Ironically, I'm listening to Minnosota's legalization of same sex marriage on NPR as I type.)
I did get a lot that you had to be in a relationship for long term happiness. (Petra's relationship seemed forced as hell.) But that's whatever.
You can still appreciate a work without appreciating the creator.
Frank Miller, for being a Rorschach incarnate, is a great example of that.
By all means, don't compromise your values and stick to what you feel comfortable with. If that's a boycott or a letter or whatever do so. But just do it on a case by case basis. Everything is very individualistic like that.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
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Not as much as from a movie ticket. Those things are expensive.
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It is entirely possible to illegally download films from the internet without paying a penny.
This is in no way connected to the present discussion, it is merely an observation.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
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Hm. So I guess the Supreme Court of Canada would declare it hate speech if someone says abortion is wrong or divorce isn't a really preferrable alternative.
edited 14th May '13 12:30:42 PM by TheStarshipMaxima
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There is a difference, or at least there is to the Supreme Court between someone saying, for example "I think Christianity is morally wrong" and "Christians are filthy dog rapists and praying to God will doom us all." And honestly, I don't mind if someone saying the latter gets slapped down in court.
Note also he misinterpreted both the Bible and the Saskatoon School Board curriculum.
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Coincidentally I agree with you, but the ruling doesn't seem to make that distinction. The ruling I read makes it seem that saying homosexuality is a sin is the same as bashing.
And there lies a slope none of us wants to go down.
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The tribunal’s decision with respect to the other two flyers was unreasonable and cannot be upheld. The tribunal erred by failing to apply s. 14(1)(b) to the facts before it in accordance with the proper legal test. It cannot reasonably be found that those flyers contain expression that a reasonable person, aware of the relevant context and circumstances, would find as exposing or likely to expose persons of same‑sex orientation to detestation and vilification. The expression, while offensive, does not demonstrate the hatred required by the prohibition.
Oh hey, the flyers are at the bottom of the ruling!
I'd say the Court did alright there.
edited 14th May '13 12:53:06 PM by majoraoftime
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Oh? Well, that's a different kettle.
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Canada would probably also call pamphlets that call for discrimination against people who have had abortion and divorcees hate speech.
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Yeaaah,. like I said much earlier. Your freedomt to speech ends at about the point where it hits someone else in the nose/
yeah. Even I agree with that.
edited 14th May '13 1:46:37 PM by lonesomepaire
Yeah, thats what worries me. Hers is the kind of rhetoric likely to inspire some idiot who thinks he's doing Jesus' work by shooting people.
And then she'll of course denounce it and pretend she had no part in inspiring it.