Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in this thread.
Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.
Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.
Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:52:14 PM
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Pointless to many, yes, but they are different, and the difference is noted for the purposes of certain discussions.
edited 1st Mar '13 11:28:31 AM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honor
Sneering Imperialist
That line was allegedly Executive Meddling on the part of the network. Gene Roddenberry was a secular humanist, after all. He did manage to resist network demands that the Enterprise have a Christian chaplain.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
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So that's how the Troi character came about! ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
HGW XX/7
Starship, you really are incorrigible.
Schild und Schwert der Partei
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Ach! I am not. 
Princess Ymir's knightess
Starship wouldn't understand, with his black lifestyle and all that. :V
Dana Scully was almost always proven wrong too Ship.
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You got a beef with the "black lifestyle"?? What're you gonna do about it, huh?
Was she?
Really had Arbitrary Skepticism when she should've known by the later seasons. By the end of the episode it was revealed usually that whatever the problem of the day was really existed.
Princess Ymir's knightess
Nothing, Starship. I just think that being black is wrong. :C
There is no such thing as a "homosexual lifestyle."
"Oh wait. She doesn't have a... Forget what I said, don't catch the preggo. Just wear her hat." - Question Marc
A procrastination in of itself
If you define "lifestyle" narrowly enough there is. But you have to be using a really narrow definition to get any difference. You'll find a lot more lifestyle differences between me and my parents then you will between me and my gay friends. So yeah, gay lifestyle only exists in the same way that other stupidly over specific things can be called a lifestyle. Like the Trek lifestyle, the Doctor Who lifestyle, the cheese-on-Saturday lifestyle, ect.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Is that cake frosting?
Out of curiosity, though — and I am not trying to make you change ideas or to catch you in contradiction here, I am just trying to better understand your point of view — how do you deal with the blood prohibition of Acts 15:20?
Do you interpret that passage in a different way? Or do you believe that English people eating black pudding, Italian people eating sanguinacci, Masai people drinking cattle blood and so on are sinning?
Or again, do you believe that that prohibition has been superseded in some way that does not apply to the homosexual acts prohibition (Peter's vision of Acts 10 does not apply, I think, since it was one of the reasons which were used to justify the — already ridiculously lenient, from a Jewish perspective — rules of Acts 15)?
edited 1st Mar '13 1:06:23 PM by Carciofus
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
NOT THE BEES
Other than against cuisine of course. Because ew. 
edited 1st Mar '13 1:01:31 PM by Pykrete
Is that cake frosting?
Philistine.
I cannot vouch for raw cattle blood, but black pudding and sanguinacci are both delicious.
edited 1st Mar '13 1:03:02 PM by Carciofus
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
I'm guessing it doesn't taste like chocolate.
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Eat haggis.
That'll put hairs on yer chest.
Back on this topic:
Look who's signing on to the cause.
Eastwood is a resident of the state of California, where a constitutional amendment, Proposition 8, currently limits marriage to a man and a woman. Next month the supreme court is due to hear arguments about the legality of the ban. The arguments could eventually lead to the proposition being overturned and gay marriage being legalised.
The 82-year-old director of Unforgiven and Million Dollar Baby was one of more than 80 Republicans who signed the "friend of the court" brief, which was then released by the American Foundation for Equal Rights. Adam Umhoefer, the foundation's executive director, described the brief as "a microcosm of what we see happening all across the country". He added: "Americans are united in the concept of freedom, dignity and strong families."
A recent poll found that 61% of California voters are now in favour of same-sex marriage.
I'm starting to wonder if the hypothesis about Eastwood trolling the shit out of the RNC was actually correct.
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
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Wow. That might be a step toward regaining 1/100th of the respect I previously had for him.
It's gaining raw data... might have to push into theory territory soon...
edited 1st Mar '13 1:20:43 PM by Euodiachloris
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Okay look, I'm really trying to cooperate and suspend actual real definitions of words so that sensibilities aren't offended.
Homosexuality is an orientation yes. As we've seen, people seem capable of understanding when it's used as a descriptor, so please let's suspend the hair-splitting and not invent cause for offense.
Homosexual lifestyle is simply a term for someone who engages in a lifestyle that includes homosexual relationships and/or behavior. There's nothing more to it than that.
If there is another term that better fits, I'm all ears.
@Carc - I don't really think it's that complex. The Bible repeatedly states that dietary and clothing restrictions were specifically part of a previous covenant. Sexual morality was a priority in the Old Testament, in the New Testament, and today.
And I never get the logic that Paul "just doesn't count" because he says things people don't like.
edited 1st Mar '13 1:35:36 PM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honor
Is that cake frosting?
But the blood prohibition that I mentioned is in the Acts of the Apostles — definitely New Testament. It is part of the decree of the Council of Jerusalem, which was precisely about establishing which of the Old Testament rules did or did not apply to non-Jewish Christians...
And I would argue that my position is not "Paul doesn't count", but rather "all of Paul counts, and some parts of his work can be useful for understanding how other parts of his work are to be interpreted" — but nevermind that, I am not trying to antagonize you, I'm just trying to understand better your position.
edited 1st Mar '13 1:41:41 PM by Carciofus
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
Scion of the Dragon
Okay look, I'm really trying to cooperate and suspend actual real definitions of words so that sensibilities aren't offended.
No Starship you are trying to force everyone to agree with your definition of your words in order to strengthen your own rhetoric. Everyone else shares the definitions enforced in this thread, you alone are the dissenter, and it comes across more then a little like you are trying to gain a tactile advantage rather make a real point with it.
"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
Or you can just say homosexual individuals are alive instead of making up nonsense and divisive terms.
"Oh wait. She doesn't have a... Forget what I said, don't catch the preggo. Just wear her hat." - Question Marc
There's not really any difference between a homosexual lifestyle and a heterosexual one though, so the distinction is pointless.