Misused: Recycled In Space

Well, in January, i modified an example describing The Jetsons as Blondie in the future( i am pretty sure The Jetsons was not advertised as it) to The Jetsons as The Flintstones in the future( As Word of God confirmed). Recently(today, actually) i removed a lot of 'arguable' examples AND removed the Eragon/ Star Wars example because nothing advertises the similarities(actually, it is used as example in the "If an idea seems to be ripping off another idea" common thing to avoid)

edited 4th Apr '12 6:15:56 AM by MagBas

I see a report on what you did, but not a systematic presentation on what the problem is (with evidence taken from examples and/or wicks) and what you think we need to do about it.

Want to try again?

edited 4th Apr '12 6:19:35 AM by Catbert

Basically, a lot of the examples are not confirmed by Word of God/ advertising. Read the following example, in western animation: "American Dragon Jake Long, Danny Phantom and Ben 10 are essentially all copies of each other, just WITH DRAGONS! or WITH GHOSTS! or WITH ALIENS! Ben 10 was the most successful, with American Dragon Jake Long canceled after two seasons and Danny Phantom screwed over by Nick. Ben 10 Alien Force isn't even half bad."(I am sure neither was confirmed by Word of God/ advertised as it.)and a lot of examples uses the word "or".

So you're saying that a lot of examples are shoehorned in, even though this is supposed to be an (objective) trope rather than a YMMV page or a Just for Fun game? Hm, that could be problematic.

Considering the nature of this site, an editor can compare any show with something else and find that they're very similar. If this is objective, a big cleanup might be in order.

edited 4th Apr '12 7:37:18 AM by ThatHuman

Sounds like people are using the page for complaining.

All Recycled X tropes are pretty much that by default.

Which ones would that be? The only ones I can find are Recycled In Space and Recycled: The Series.

That said, if a trope attracts a lot of complaining, then we need to clean it or drop it in Darth.

Recycled Premise as well.

Also I thought we split up Recycled In Space by type a while back I guess I was wrong.

And Recycled Script, which is also in TRS due to misuse.

Wait, this has to be confirmed by Word of God or other official material? That's an odd standard for a trope with this sort of idiosyncratic snarky way of listing examples.

Perhaps this shouldn't have an idiosyncratic snarky way of listing examples, then. This is supposed to be a trope, not a Just for Fun game.

Word of God is the best, but it's not a requirement. As long as you can connect the dots in the "treatment" it counts. Yojibmo — Fistful Of Dollars — The Warrior And The Sorceress is plenty clear, even though Dollars was originally unauthorized and W&tS probably was as well. Just being similar isn't enough, though.

Item 3 of the "Some common things to avoid." in the page : "If an idea seems to be ripping off another idea, it's Better by a Different Name. It needs to be blatant in its advertising that it is a copy for it to count. You could argue that "Eragon was better when it was called Star Wars" but since nothing ever advertises the similarities, it doesn't count as this."

edited 6th Apr '12 4:41:35 AM by MagBas

For starters, I don't see any noticeable complaining.

Secondly, it looks like what may have happened was that the defintion was changed but the examples were never cleaned up.

Two previous TRS threads.

Most of the description in 2007 is intact on the current page. The "things to avoid" seems to have been added sometime in 2009.

Hmm... considering the archived discussion page, it was put by Masami Phoenix. Reading said archived discussion, shoehorned examples are an old problem.

edited 6th Apr '12 12:30:18 PM by MagBas

Possible split: Rename this Recycled, in X, and make it a supertrope. Move all X in space examples to a new trope with the current name. Any other subtropes from the supertrope will also be made.

Also, is there an index on recycling tropes or tropes involving recycled stuff?

Recycled Script would be a starting point.

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What? That's one interpretation of the first half of that sentence.

edited 6th Apr '12 7:46:29 PM by MorganWick

X Meets Y, it's supertrope has similar problems. It's mixing Word of God and personal views, which can lead to natter. In it's current state, it looks like a Just for Fun page.

... Oh, wait it is on that index.

edited 6th Apr '12 7:58:20 PM by Oreochan

I think X Meets Y and Recycled In Space are The Same But Different. This should be fixed.

edited 6th Apr '12 9:30:09 PM by spacemarine50

Agreed they should be merged. Also that is an oxymoron, you're looking for The Same But More.

edited 6th Apr '12 10:39:20 PM by Oreochan

Thank you. Also found The Same But More Specific. These tropes are related like that.

I think we should turn this into a special efforts thread or make a new one and move it to that subforum on the This Trope Is X family and review them case by case basis. All of them have dialogue sounding names by nature or are Stock Phrases and cause natter. This is probably the reason:

"These tropes are easy to use. Just fill in the X, and BAM, instant recognition." along with natter (No problem with the line itself). Also, They are more than most snowclone clans, extremely susceptible to shoehorning. But the names are correct in the sense how creators use them.

edited 7th Apr '12 12:10:18 AM by Oreochan

X Meets Y is about describing a show as a combination of 2 different shows.
Recycled In Space is about shows that are the same as earlier shows, but with the setting changed.

There's overlap, but that's mostly because you can think of an X Meets Y for just about any show.

edited 7th Apr '12 12:06:32 AM by abk0100