Series/ Ben 10 Omniverse

I am fine with them being hybrids as long as it's treated in an interesting way (could have been interesting if they were hybrids of two aliens rather than half-human though). Also I actually think we could have used more characters as a whole sharing species with some of Ben's aliens; that would have made for better world-building than constantly introducing new uninteresting alien species for supporting characters.

Alien/Alien hybrids sounds very interesting. And it does make more sense than human/alien-hybrids. Besides that we already got the high-breed hybrids who sort of seem to be universally compatible with everyone by now. When you ignore that this plot-line seemed to have been retconned (just judging by Bailiff's new look in OV).

Besides that I always wondered if the feline-aliens descended from a race of 'ancient cats' who traversed the stars and colonized a few planets to figure out how they'd fare and adapt to their new environment. Now, that would have been an interesting story-line.

Personally, I feel Omniverse tried to do A LOT of things I actually wanted to see done in Ben 10, but failed at doing them right. For example, I always wanted to see the series explore the various alien species and their culture and as such have them appear more as side character. Omniverse tried this, but for the most part they just used them as cameo and their culture/personnality was either not explored or reduced to stereotypes of human origin (Pax, anyone?). The closest they got from doing it right was with Galvans and Galvanic Mechamorphs.

I wish Omniverse had done more with the original idea of having Classic Ben and Modern Ben have either parallel stories or even crossing into each other's adventures. After the first arc, the only thing that really did that was Ben Again.

Though instead of that we did get Ben 23, who was my favorite new thing from Omniverse. We're probably not going to be seeing him for a while given the reboot, unless they change him to be the same age as Ben.

I second the wish that the And Then There Was Ben arc was longer. Like, with plots for each of the alternate Bens + Gwen. In fact, that shouldn't have been just two episodes and probably should've been expanded to the plot of the entire Time War season. It definitely feels more like a Time War than what they ultimately did.

To reference complaint about OS from few pages ago, at least AF, UA and OV tried new things. The only reason original series did so well, was because they wrote safe stories about couple of bratty kids running into outdated sf plots and two-dimensional villains and barely ever tried anything more complicated. This is why I tend to prefer newer series, even when they fail at story telling at least its interesting fail worth talking about. Aim for moon, cause if you miss you'll land among stars and all that jazz.

Well, in its defense, the Original Series did all of this well most of the time. As cliché and underdevelopped as the villain were, they had memorable and creepy designs, most notably. The aliens were usually well-used, the dialogues were okay for the most part, the voice acting was usually good, and the characters were likable (with the exceptions of episodes where they tried to make Ben look miserable in favor of portraying Gwen like little miss perfect). The Original Series played it safe and formulaic, but it did it fairly well, and the universe they created around it DID feel fresh.

I still rather AUF for the same reasons than you, but I do see why some people are more comfortable with the Original Series, even if I feel they tend to keep Nostalgia Goggles.

Man of Action is very creative when it comes to concept and designs, but with the exception of Generator Rex, they tend to play it safe plot-wise and not do much besides re-using cliché. This is very visible in their Marvel cartoons.

edited 9th Feb '16 3:23:24 AM by Theokal3

Well....yeah, you're right. They aimed low, but they did perfected that low. For example I would say that Kid!Ben in OS is much better written then in UA or OV. I can recall few examples where someone said something actually funny or memorable, but dialogue tended to be much more natural then some later on. But I am iffy on likable part. I would say they might be fair for their time. Sure, its not as if they were completely unlikable and un- relatable, but there is a reason why people praise Gravity Falls like its a lost ark just for having siblings that get along.

I really lost interest in the Plumbers Helpers, so I 'm not keen on making them prominent characters.

I do agree with turning that Ben Multiverse crossover into a major part of the Time War instead of a 2 parter. Maltruant recruiting Vilgax and an army of evil Bens would have been a better use of those characters. Just imagine them all fighting in different locations across time and space, in different alternate timelines even.

Virtually anything actually resembling war with any connection to time would beat Aggregor rehash that we've got.

And third handed rehash it is.I mean Aggregor was just a guy, but we saw him slowly work to accomplish his goal, collecting pieces and elements. Maltruant was just slowly putting himself together tricking us into thinking he might some kind of Ultimate Time Lord of Darkness who could fu** whole multiverse if not to say, omniverse.

But he turned out to be just an evil Chronosapien with few goons who was only special threat because he figured how to time travel before time starts which is somehow possible if you use Time Beast, but whats a Time Beast is or why its eggs were hidden in Undertown, no one flippin' knows.

Again, I stand by my point the Plumber's Helpers' concept in itself wasn't bad, it's the way it was handled that was disappointing. I am sure they could have been made better characters if more effort had been put into them.

Pretty much. Also, his motivations and backstory. Considering he's from what's essentially the Ben 10 equivalent of the Time Lords, you would have expected them to put some effort into making him an interesting character with a cool backstory. But no, he's just some narcissic asshole who wanted to reshape the Universe in his own image just because. Considering he was Omniverse's True Final Boss, that was spectacular disappointing. ESPECIALLY after a villain like Malware who actually had a backstory.

edited 9th Feb '16 8:04:26 AM by Theokal3

I'm thinking they couldn't come up with any interesting culture for Chronosapien, at least not without making Professor Paradox less interesting and relevant.

... Fair enough. But then they should have just used Eon instead. Why create a new time-travelling villain when you already have one?

Eon got punked by Vilgax in the Multiverse Ben crossover. He died for good.

Really? When did that happen?

Also I guess Eon was just another wasted character in general. They never got into much detail of how he is an evil Ben with no omnitrix.

Nah, not even close. He came back without any explanation in Let's Do the Time War Again, just like all the previous times. And got punked by Maltruant again after he helped him by.... I am not sure how, actually...

I have been saying this all along. When they said they had kept the evil Ben origin from Ultimate Alien, I expected them to flesh out how that happened and develop a story around it.... and instead it was just casually revealed in one line in And Then There Were None, literally in a "Oh and by the way I am an alternate version of you" way, with Ben expressing only mild shock. I am still baffled by this waste. Friggin' Superboy-Prime was better developped than that!

edited 9th Feb '16 12:05:27 PM by Theokal3

Nevermind, I forgot Eon was saved like every other Ben was. Eon then became Maltruant's lackey for a few episodes before being Put on a Bus.

I am seriously disturbed finding out all these wasted ideas. Seriously an entire season full of alternate Ben's would have made a lot of toys, I can't believe they never capitalized on that. It really makes me more worried for the new show.

The new show can do as badly as it pleases. I've no plans to watch it.

General reason why they used Mal instead of Eon, because they wanted a new awesome big fresh villain, with Mark Hammil voice, mysterious backstory and all that junk. Eon in comparison not only was already punked by Vilgax once, but he also spend most of his action time being evenly matched while sword fighting Paradox, while Maltuant preferred win-literally-every-encounter approach. He both 2 Bens, Ben 10k, Gwen and Kai at the same time and even Rook without time powers, only losing to Creator's Pet. Eon got too nerfed to pull off stunts like that . Other then that and fact that his meeting with Vilgax would be a bit awkward, he could fit easily, just replace body parts with some keys to Time Beast nest or something like that.

"they wanted a new awesome big fresh villain, with Mark Hammil voice, mysterious backstory and all that junk."

Why is that description giving me flashbacks to Linkara's criticisms of Judas Traveler?^^'

edited 9th Feb '16 2:11:43 PM by Theokal3

Eh, Maltruant is nothing like Judas Traveler.

No, of course, but there's the same idea of making a character all mysterious for style without actually bothering to put anything behind the mystery.

Here's an idea I'm surprised they never used: Eon is an evil future Ben from an alternate timeline. Kevin 11,000 is an evil future Kevin from an alternate timeline. Why didn't those two ever team up? Preferably with an evil future Gwen from an alternate timeline.

Because something like that wouldn't ever occur to Wyatt.

edited 9th Feb '16 8:20:29 PM by VeryMelon

Eh, they couldn't even figure out how to use Eon being an evil alternate Ben right, don't ask too much of them^^

Don't be too harsh on Wyatt. The guy wasn't in charge of everything plot-wise.