Series/ Ben 10 Omniverse

I liked the idea, suggested earlier in the thread, that if Walkatrout were thrown into water, he would become something akin to a Gyarados, which sadly isn't true as walking is his power, but that's a way.

I'd definitely remove The Worst, though.

I want them to focus a bit less on "aliens with superpowers" and more on "aliens with natural abilities that, in comparison to humans, seem like superpowers" when designing the aliens next time around.

The OS did that, and overall the design of its aliens was a bit less ridiculous for it. At least until they go into the "horror movie" aliens.

edited 13th May '15 6:34:21 PM by KnownUnknown

Agree for Walkatrout. If his power had been that, he might have moved from my most disliked alien to one if my favourite^^

Agreed, though I feel some of the horror aliens DID work. I mean, take Snare-Oh/Benmummy; the idea to make a mummy-like alien whose bandages were actually tentacles was kinda genius.

Also to be fair, earlier AF aliens DID respect this rule. In UA on the other hand, they started doing a little too many robotic-like aliens. And Omniverse just gave up on sticking to the whole "natural abilities" to give us sillyness like Bloxx.

How was magic any more of a cheat in Ben 10 than science?

Ben wears a watch on his wrist that can blow up the universe, change the DNA of an entire species throughout a galaxy, change his dna into things that obviously don't have dna to begin with, and gives him powers up to omnipotence.

... Fair enough.

On a note, another thing I would like to see back from OV: Lucy being part of the Plumbers. I hated the episode where she appears, but God knows this concept had potential.

I like Lucy. They just overdid the goofiness and the gwen subplot was just terrible writing.

Exactly. Honestly even her goofyness didn't bother me that much. I think she had potential to be a great character by virtue of being the first Sludgepuppy to be a Plumber; that alone could have served for the plot of several episodes. But no, they went with making Gwen a moron who hates her cousin for little reason and accuses her without any good reason to be The Mole....

Bezel's point wasn't "magic is so a cheat compared to the superpowers that only that one kid can use," however. Ben also having ridiculous abilities is beside the point.

edited 14th May '15 7:07:37 PM by KnownUnknown

Which would be a valid point if science wasn't just another name for magic all throughout the series.

Time travel, species morphing androids, stealing powers as programs, frankencryptids, soul transfers, physically entering the omnitrix and a video game, eldritch abomination eating swords, etc, etc.

What do you think magic can do that Azmuth couldn't if he put in the effort?

As is stands, the question is "Can magic do everything Azmuth can?"

What was it that someone said, already.... "Every sufficiently advanced science indistinguishable from magic"?

Honestly I do think later series (and I mean all of them to this time, not just Omniverse) went a bit overboard with what the Omnitrix can do. I could never buy things like the Ultimatrix transforming Kevin and Gwen at distance in Inspector 13 or the new Omnitrix giving alien abilities to prisonners while leaving Ben's aliens powerless in Outbreak (those powers are BIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS for those aliens! How can they even lose them without dying or being crippled?!!). It just kinda stretched my suspension of disbelief a bit too much.

edited 9th Aug '16 3:37:31 PM by Theokal3

Except, once again, it's clear Bezel isn't talking about that (note that instead of going abandoning magic to go into superscience, he instead opts for stage magic - something picked because it's both mundane and takes a lot of skill). So all of that is still beside the point.

To put it another way: Bezel's point is that magic in his opinion is wild, unpredicatable and a bit of a cheat, and that one is better off living like a normal person. "With Azmuth's super science one can also cheat in wild and unpredictable ways in comparison to the normal person" is true, but is actually irrelevant to what he saying since its a largely separate issue. It certainly doesn't counter it in any way.

edited 15th May '15 8:08:03 AM by KnownUnknown

Did they lose their powers? Ben only was Molestache and Pesky Dust for a few seconds and The Worst seemed to be able to take a hit and survive. (And Walkatrout had all the powers of fish.)

Well, true it wasn't very clear, but I think they did say so. And this was apparently the reason Ben still had his normal voice rather than alien voices (which by the way didn't make any sense either).

I thought Ben's voice meant that Omnitrix was busted. (Not that it makes sense, but whatever. We're taking about show that gave us Fistrook)

Different topic. in 2011 there was talk about Ben getting film adaptation, but I think the whole thing is a bust now. Still, can you imagine Ben getting movie? And I mean, real full fresh-continuity big-budget movie?

Does anyone know the original Latin (or whatever) etymology for the various spells in the series? The wiki uses very suspect spelling.

edited 17th May '15 8:11:16 PM by Zenoseiya

I don't know for the movie, personally. Depends entirely how they would have done it. I would just hope it's not TOO light-hearted or for kids. Not that I want it too dark or gritty of course, but I feel the former is more at risk of happening than the latter.

No idea, sorry.

For example, the words charmcaster uses to free hex sound something like "fatum quercea dominium," or "fate oaken ownership"?

Watching TOS on Hulu. They have the pop-up episode trivia. Quick, we need to get screenshots of all of the factoids.

So, if you listen to what that Four Arms priest was saying in Manny Happy Returns, Kevin apparently named Zed after Tetramand deity.

Also I found these extra scenes I didnt recognize. Its just some Brazilian commercials. http://theultimatevideos.blogspot.com/

That's actually funny to know for Zed.

Oh, and what would you know, ALL those scene despict Ben as being spectacularly incompetent with useless aliens. What a shock—'.

Well that did happen far more in Omniverse than the other three series to be fair. They couldn't be consistent for two episodes straight for continuity at times so nothing surprises me.

Fair enough.

On a note, I would like to ask everyone? What are your opinions about Rath speaking spanish in later episodes?

As a one off thing, its ok. Kinda fun. But we've never seen if it is permanent, which would be idiotic.

Although the fact that Abedo as Ultimate Rath still spoke in English, (We didnt see much of regular Rath, but he seemed clothed) implies that all is good.

edited 21st May '15 10:27:44 AM by Sunchet

Just to understand what do you think it would have been idiotic?

If from now on, Rath would constantly talk in Spanish.

I mean, series is over and its a moot point, but still.