Manga/Dragon Ball

I would be prepared for that as well, but I don't think it's likely to have the exact same number of participants in each universe. Two per universe would also make it impossible to get a feel for what each universe is like unless they were established before-hand somehow.

edited 1st May '16 5:43:53 PM by Saiga

I know this much.

Only Goku and Vegeta will fight.

That's not true, they would bring someone else along to job or have a pointless fanservice fight that has no actual relevance.

Before it turns out that Gohan somehow managed to unlock Super Saiyan Blue as well, and becomes as strong as Beerus; hey, if Vegeta can get that form without ever having Super Saiyan God at all, then so can Gohan.

So probably Piccolo again and Gohan.

Four fighters from each Universe would allow them to presumably do preliminaries with Frost being the odd man out from Universe 6 since he cheated last time.

edited 1st May '16 5:53:26 PM by Lionheart0

...Shit. You actually made me more cynical about the whole thing.

Thanks a lot Pope! I hope you sleep well at night.

Wait. No I don't.

Toriyama doesn't really have Fanservice fights. Then again, when I think Fanservice fight, I think Fanservice.

Like Android 18 and Zangya Mud Wrestling.

So I suppose you'll need to be more clear.

Piccolo's fight in this very arc.

Hey, Piccolo was doing really well all things considered.

I don't really mind Goku and Vegeta being the only ones who matter. It's not like that's so out of nowhere.

As far as Gohan goes, I'm still annoyed with people wanting to have things go both ways with him.

I just want him to do more in this series; if fucking Arale can come back and have an episode to herself, I don't see why Gohan can't.

I don't see why Gohan needed to be depowered.

I mean, God power surpasses his hidden power anyway, and Frieza powered himself up to the point where he was a match for that.

So why exactly did Gohan need to be nerfed to the point where he could barely maintain Super Saiyan? It didn't really serve a purpose since he'd already been completely surpassed. I mean, they could have just have it that he'd always be at max power.

I think Gohan could be a better protector of Earth than his dad, provided he stop toying with his enemies and just finish them, because he seems to care less for testing his limit and be more about actually defending earth.

Wasn't it said that him going Super Saiyan at that point boosted him back to his Mystic Gohan levels of power, but only briefly?

I am now running with the headcanon that Gohan lost his Ultimate Gohan form immediately after dying and being brought back, because it was a buff that was meant to last 'forever' but didn't have resistance to the big dispeller that is death.

....

You know, I don't mind that.

I expect Saiga to tell us why it's wrong now.

He still has his Ultimate state after coming back, so...

But Vegeta made him sit out of the tournament and even made Frost's loss be overturned, so the net result is that it didn't effect anything.

It kind of is when you continue from the manga. Things were constantly changing and it was only at the tail end of the final arc that it came down to those two - which was due to the very crazy circumstances going on. To go from that to consistently just relying on those two is very inconsistent with the original dynamic.

What do you mean by both ways?

edited 1st May '16 6:18:52 PM by Saiga

Does he?

He never fights, so how do we know?

I mean, Ultimate State doesn't look different from his non-super saiyan state anyway.

I'd rather it turned out he did lose it because he died (maybe do to being a magical powerup even if the power is his own).

Yes it does. His Ultimate state has different eyes, the ones Toriyama gives to "evil" characters. The change in his features is noted in-universe.

This is retained in the manga. And in Super's continuity, he still has the Ultimate state when he fights Beerus. So saying he lost it after being arrived can't justify the RF arc of Super.

I also don't like that explanation (it's a very old one, fans used it in GT) because it's so random. Dying has no connection to the power unlock, and characters have never lost power-ups from dying before. There's nothing in the series to draw the connection.

Well...what do you think about giving Buu Saga Gohan the look he had in Resurrection F, i.e. the glasses and the shorter Cell Saga haircut. At the very least going from that to the hairstyle he has as Ultimate Gohan makes the visual differences more noticeable between the two states.

edited 1st May '16 6:29:27 PM by Ssj3Gojira

I don't mind the idea, but I prefer his haircut on the far right.◊ Would be best if his Super Saiyan hairstyle didn't spike up all the way, to make the difference between 1 and 2 clearer as well.

Okay yeah, that looks good on him. I'm fine with the Super Saiyan forms as is, since usually a) the amount of bangs still flat on the head drops to one when going to 2, b) Super Saiyan 2 has sharper hair and is never drawn in the same relaxed style as Full Power Super Saiyan is, and c) it has that electrical aura around it at all times. Though yeah, making it more noticeable would be nice, especially to make it clear whether or not Gohan used certain forms in the anime.

Actually, could Gohan possibly have Super Saiyan 3 now, due to the Elder Kai unlocking every ounce of potential he certainly had at the moment?

edited 1st May '16 6:38:36 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Super Saiyan 3 has never done anything important or relevant ever since its introduction, so I'd hardly consider that a plus for Gohan if he achieved it.

The potential Unlock is supposed to make him stronger than 3, so he wouldn't really need it.

I imagine the lack of a stamina drain is another advantage of it.

The problem with Boo arc Gohan's hair is that it actually changes during the month between the high school hijinks and the tournament. It grows a bit more, and at that point his Super Saiyan 1 hairstyle only has one bang and his Super Saiyan 2 hairstyle doesn't look much different. There is more variant in Toriyama's art style than there is between the two forms. Which leads to the infamous "which form did he use against Dabra?" debate.

Wasn't he using Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura, seeing as how his strength was being compared to Perfect Cell's, and Gohan would have needed his strongest form to make up the lost of power he suffered from his inactivity for 7 years?

It's an infamous debate for a reason

There have been official statements going both ways