Manga/Dragon Ball

What is that even supposed to be? Broly after marinating overnight in grape juice?

I'll only allow that if Cell comes back and achieves his Cornbread form.

....exhibit A.◊

With all those power multipliers, he might be enough to make Frieza use his second form.

Then he wouldn't be able to stop eating himself.

His infinitely-regenerating self.

edited 16th Oct '15 11:24:44 PM by Anomalocaris20

Broly wishes he was as cool as DIO.

"You thought Kakarot was the legendary Super Saiyan, BUT IT WAS I, BROLY!"

Ultimate DIO and THE WORLD OVER HEAVEN might as well be God-Tier characters, I'm sure not even the Super Saiyan Gods or Golden Frieza can stop him.

Whis solos.

Well, that's because he's Whis.

I see absolutely no reason a Mystic Tenshinhan with the Kaio-ken could reach that tier. Mystic Gohan uses his Super Saiyan powers, as well as his unusually high potential to reach that high. That's at least 100x what his power unlocked base would be without that, assuming he only gets access to the Super Saiyan 2 power he had and not access to all his potential Super Saiyan power which would make it 400x "base".

So I don't see a 50x multiplier being enough to put Tenshinhan on that level. I just don't see bloody Tenshinhan having 2-8x more dormant power than Gohan.

@Arha

edited 16th Oct '15 11:38:20 PM by Saiga

...isn't his Ultimate form suppose to be stronger than a Super Saiyan 3?

Yes he is, because Gohan with his potential unlocked exceeds Goku and Gotenks. But Gotenks is stronger than Goku when both are at Super Saiyan 3, so Ultimate Gohan could be equivalent to his own Super Saiyan 3 level and be stronger than either due to his huge potential.

I think he is accessing Super Saiyan 3 power, because if he was only accessing Super Saiyan 2 power it'd be totally crazy that he's so strong.

edited 16th Oct '15 11:55:04 PM by Saiga

I think Super Saiyan is a factor in judging hidden potential. So this theoretical Mystic Tenshinhan's full potential would be way less than 2% of Gohan's. His base would be around Semi-perfect Cell is his Kaio-kenx50 is Super Buu tier.

edited 17th Oct '15 12:08:25 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Didn't the 4th Daizenshuu say he could still use Super Saiyan as Ultimate Gohan?

He can, but until R'F', all it did was bleach his hair and change his eye color.

There's absolutely no basis for that. The series has made it perfectly clear there's no such thing as transformation balance, those with many transformations aren't left weak without them to make up for that.

Gohan's dormant power was never linked to his Super Saiyan transformations, and that wouldn't make sense anyway when he has no unique Super Saiyan forms. He just plain has more dormant power than Goku, who is capable of the same transformations.

There's not a single thing to imply, hint at, or support that Ten has that kind of potential in him, or that the Saiyans' base forms have less potential than a human.

Still, wouldn't that add up to like a 20,000x boost or something, or would it just be like a 5x multiplier stacked on it to make it a 2000x multiplier in total?

If he's already using Super Saiyan's power, he shouldn't be able to multiply it further.

To be fair, with the latter option he'd only be able to top it at a 4000x boost, so at the strength of a Golden Great Ape. Which still means he's weaker than a Super Saiyan 4, and massively weaker than the God forms. So yeah, pretty much all but useless against the God Tier fighters of his world.

I think ESK said that Gohan could turn Super Saiyan, but because he had all the power he'd ever have, he wouldn't do anything except exert himself in the transformation.

But Gohan's full potential DOES take into account his Super Saiyan Forms. His Mystic thing isn't his base at 180,000,000 and then he goes SS 3 independent of that. His Mystic thing is his full power, Super Saiyans 1-3 included. Clearly 'full potential' includes Super Saiyan.

The Ultimate form does, but that doesn't do anything to suggest Ten's base should/could become stronger than Gohan's. Because Gohan's dormant power is never directly linked to his racial Super Modes.

Even if the overall potential is higher, the fact that 99.75% of that comes from just being a Saiyan would undermine the fact that Gohan is meant to have a particularly large potential.

So if he needs to rely on those forms to surpass the potential of some guy with no unusual potential whatsoever, that's just ridiculous.

edited 17th Oct '15 12:24:18 AM by Saiga

Which, kind of brings into question how Ultimate Gohan compares to his new Super Saiyan 3 and Super Saiyan 4 forms.

Super Saiyan 3 Gohan apparently continued his training from Cell to Boo, but it's unlikely he could have surpassed his Ultimate form and at best he'd be even. But Super Saiyan 3 is a worse form, so it'd be inferior.

Super Saiyan 4 Gohan should be much stronger since he's portrayed on par with Goku and Vegeta and GT is way above Z.

Gohan's base power does not matter when talking about 'full potential', his physically possible highest Super Saiyan form is what matters. Tenshinhan's base is the only thing that matters when talking about 'full potential' because he has no transformations to raise his 'full potential'. Kaio-ken is a technique, not a transformation.