Suggestion?
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
FWIW, the current one was chosen by a (rather long and drawn-out) Image Pickin' thread. I think it's OK, but it's a difficult one to depict.
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A pocketful of saudade.
Keep Until Better Image Suggested.
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Weak, but Keep Until Better Image Suggested.
Why does it matter that it's got a blue background? It doesn't make it any less clear than it already is.
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Not seeing a big problem.
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Yeah, I'm going to say Keep Until Better Image Suggested as well.
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I really like the Sonya-before-and-after. I'd say Keep Until Better Image Suggested, but I really think that's a much BIS
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I like the Before and After thing. It's kinda hard to show in just one image, really.
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Joined the pics together. Just a try:
edited 17th Mar '12 8:05:00 PM by peasant
Alternative, break it up into two separate pictures with the respective quotes under each picture:
edited 17th Mar '12 8:11:34 PM by peasant
"A woman is shown as weak, incompetent, and ineffectual in this trope unless she dresses and behaves like a man. A common variation on this is to present a woman as superior because she's 'not like other women.' Another variation is a Tomboy and Girly Girl scenario, where the tomboy is presented as superior."
What do those have to do with that, at all?
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
The dress is used as a visual shorthand to reinforce that the Action Girl is now a Distressed Damsel. While serving as the Action Girl, Sonya wears more gender-neutral/less girly attire. When she gets captured, she's suddenly and for the first time, in a dress.
In short: The girlier her attire, the less competent and more helpless she seems to be.
edited 17th Mar '12 8:33:10 PM by peasant
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I'd be fine with the two-paneler of Sonya...we don't have to have two separate captions.
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Sonya is fine with me.
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A pocketful of saudade.
Sonya is fine too...
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@Rodney: In the first picture she dressed in more masculine clothes and is shown being competent by beating a guy up. In the second one she's dressed in feminine clothes, and appears to be in a distressed damsel situation.
Picture looks good to me.
Reaction Image Repository^ My question was "what does that have to do with the trope?", and that isn't an answer.
It isn't "the same female character is strong in pants but weak in a dress". Even if some tangential connection could be made, that is really weak. The current isn't great but I think the MK one is worse.
edited 18th Mar '12 2:37:57 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
I like the Sonya picture. The Silent Hill one is kind of innacurate; if Cybil is the tough competent one, than why is she the one who gets killed?
Y'know, I'm gonna say, "Keep," on this one. Keep. The image is as explicit about showing the trope as any will get. The blue in the image is not hurting it, in my eyes.
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@Rodney: Going with Peasant's definition of the trope (which I think is a good summary of it), we have a woman shown being competent while being dressed and acting in a masculine manner, and being incompetent while dressed and acting in a stereotypically feminine manner. It shows the "Masculine = competent, feminine = incompetent" aspect of the trope in way that the current image doesn't.
Reaction Image RepositorySo kicking is competent and being imprisoned is incompetence? I gather it seems like this is just being contrarian or something, but I at least get a tiny whiff of the right message from the current image and nothing at all from that suggestion.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
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This thing really only carries itself along on the caption. A woman police officer with a gun is standing next to a woman wearing a skirt holding a Something. Also the background is sorta blue. Maybe we could get a clearer image?
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