Anti-woman laws in America

It's an asinine interpretation full of rationalization. You're punishing a person for not asking questions, and that punishment is how one extracts information.

It just goes to show that bad logic can be used to justify any position, so it's not really about a reasonable view of the constitution, it's just about people with their own opinions on what the constitution SHOULD say, whether they're a "strict constitutional literalist" or not.

20 weeks is 5 months. That's the normal abortion cut off. They have just gone and add the 'fetal pain' bit to pander to the life vote.

Well we could start a thread on the pro and cons of judicial activism

edited 3rd May '12 1:40:46 AM by joeyjojo

Tomu, at the end of the day, someone has to have a final say on what the Constitution means. It's not you and it's not me, it's the opinion of 5 justices on the Supreme Court.

Just as an example, there's nothing in the 1st amendment that says there are limits on the freedom of speech, but the Court has found several (obscenity, publicly revealing secrets on national security, slander). Many people probably think those are direct contradictions, but at the end of the day, the Supreme Court is the final arbiter.

The right to an abortion is something many disagree with. Right now, however, the Constitution is interpreted as granting that right under its right to privacy. As I said before, if I don't like the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution, I can always try to change the Constitution. So it is with pro-lifers. Otherwise, even if you disagree with it, their interpretation is the only one that should matter.

There are qualitative levels of cognitive dissonance.

Going with joeyjojo here, 5 months is long, but I still say there should be a clause for "unavailability of early abortion" to prevent problems highlighted by Qeise. That, plus the woman's health clause.

edited 3rd May '12 1:08:41 AM by Medinoc

I could not make this shit up. I'd be too disgusted with myself to do so.

" They're like, 'Well, the poor pitiful women that can't afford to go out of state are just going to start doing them at home with a coat hanger.' That's what we've heard over and over and over. But hey, you have to have moral values."

...And they're proud of it! This craze is really getting out of hand.

O. M. G.

That is all.

Que?

Nice to know that to Mississippi lawmakers, driving desperate women to bleed out in their bathtubs is a "moral value."

Republicans in general have long been suffering from a self-inflicted case of He Who Fights Monsters (their 'enemies' that caused this are mostly imaginary or fabricated) mixed with corruption and trying to press their religious beliefs onto other people. It's a really bad combinations.

This is a case of the last two.

edited 15th May '12 5:23:39 PM by Vehudur

Hmmmmm: could they be got for manslaughter, I wonder? 'Cos, sure as most hens eggs get eaten, there'll be a fair few deaths because of that insanity.

Kansas has passed a measure making it legal for a Pharmacist to refuse to sell drugs (ANY drugs, not just abortifacents) to women if they think that they will use it to perform an abortion.

This includes Oral Contraceptives and Plan B meds. Any drugs at all can be refused.

I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money that that law will get struck down in very, very short order.

I think you underestimate the power of "conscience clauses."

Just once, I would love to see someone try to restrict someone else based on a more liberal conscience. Like, I don't know, refusing to sell an engagement ring to a man who seems like he's too conservative to accept an equal marriage. Just to see what the response would be.

edited 16th May '12 10:45:29 AM by Karalora

@Mississippi

It's hardly surprising, since many people living here consider abortion little more than infant murder.

-read article- kansas is morally bankrupt, why anyone would want to live there is beyond me

edited 16th May '12 11:50:18 AM by vanthebaron

@Van: Because they have delicious BBQ?

Because workers are largely immobile. People grow up in communities and their ability to expand outside of that community is intrinsically limited. People do not "vote with their feet" as much as you might think.

<reads article> Some "home of the free" you've got going there, guys. I'm soooooo, soooooo glad I'm a British woman who can walk into any Pharmacy and get what I got prescribed, wherever I might be in the country. The only possible quibble being "do they have it in stock, or has Unichem messed with their order again?".

edited 16th May '12 12:46:17 PM by Euodiachloris

Unless you're in Northern Ireland - abortion's illegal there, and unlikely to get legalised any time soon.

Let's not get too smug about the mess our wayward colonies are getting themselves into.

I keep forgetting that. I know I shouldn't, but I do. <blushes>

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I'm in despair! Tomu's stalker gaze has left me in despair!

Anyways, the Kansas law is unconstitutional. I really want to know why no one else is calling this political bloc out on their work ethic, that seems like a good line of attack. "If my beliefs allow it, I don't have to do my job!"

You work at a pharmacy, you refuse to sell drugs, you should be fired. Entitled fucks.

Amish Busdriver a go go.