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Deadlock Clock: Apr 27th 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
foxley Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Mar 15th 2012 at 2:56:51 PM

Possibly a rename is order, but there does appear to be a valid trope here.

captainsandwich Since: Jan, 2012
#27: Mar 24th 2012 at 2:07:11 AM

Can we make it slightly more vague? because i think i have seen this a couple of times, but the character lands on a mount (often a flying type), instead of in water.

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#29: Apr 24th 2012 at 5:22:46 AM

Clocking due to lack of activity.

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peccantis Since: Oct, 2010
#30: Apr 24th 2012 at 12:14:10 PM

It seems there is consensus to rename.

Time to throw some ideas around! I'll offer High Jump To Water Escape.

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#31: Apr 24th 2012 at 1:26:59 PM

Crowner gently placed on thread.

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Fnu Since: Dec, 1969
#32: Apr 24th 2012 at 8:21:29 PM

There may be a valid trope somewhere in this, but it needs a rename.

Wanderhome The Joke-Master Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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#33: Apr 30th 2012 at 7:40:07 AM

I'd suggest "Hentzau High Dive" for a rename, since that's more indicative, and Rupert of Hentzau was the specific character who pulled the move in the Trope Maker.

edited 30th Apr '12 7:40:45 AM by Wanderhome

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#34: Apr 30th 2012 at 12:55:21 PM

[up]Not to me. As I don't know specific names in the story, I thought that name was anime related.

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foxley Since: Jan, 2001
#35: Apr 30th 2012 at 8:57:55 PM

Given many examples are specific homages to The Prisoner of Zenda some kind of reference in the name would be nice.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#36: Apr 30th 2012 at 10:30:46 PM

[up]If it's still indicative.

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foxley Since: Jan, 2001
#37: May 1st 2012 at 4:01:29 AM

Well, 'high dive' still tells you its about a leap off a high place into water even if you don't recognise the name Hentzau.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#39: May 1st 2012 at 10:27:00 AM

[up][up]That term is not solely about this trope, so it's not indicative.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#40: May 1st 2012 at 1:26:46 PM

I think Hentzau High Dive is a way better name than Prisoner of Zenda Exit. While the latter says almost nothing about the trope to someone who doesn't know what Prisoner of Zenda is, the former says a little bit. In either case an unfamiliar reader would have to spend a few seconds answering the question "Hm what's that?", but that's okay IMO, and anyway the name wouldn't cause it to be mistaken for something else. A more bland name could serve as a searchable redirect.

v People would put examples of fancy high diving moves that don't have to do with a villain escaping on a page called Hentzau High Dive? I doubt it. "It could conceivably be interpreted as something else" is not a strong argument. "It is likely to be..." maybe.

edited 1st May '12 1:41:15 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#41: May 1st 2012 at 1:33:51 PM

[up]It would, since the term "high dive" means something other than the trope. It makes it seem like some fancy diving move.

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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower Since: Oct, 2009
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#42: May 1st 2012 at 3:53:30 PM

High-Dive Escape?

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#43: May 1st 2012 at 4:50:23 PM

[up]sounds clear and concise to me.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#44: May 3rd 2012 at 1:29:53 PM

Is the crowner enough to call?

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#45: May 3rd 2012 at 2:08:21 PM

Yep. Calling crowner.

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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower Since: Oct, 2009
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#46: May 16th 2012 at 11:37:25 AM

OK, new name suggestions? So far we have High Jump To Water Escape (boring but indicative), High-Dive Escape (ditto) and Hentzau High Dive (unclear to anyone who doesn't know the character).

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#48: May 31st 2012 at 9:47:11 AM

Crowner swapped in.

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Treblain Not An Avatar Since: Nov, 2012
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#49: May 31st 2012 at 8:37:32 PM

High-Dive Escape or variants don't really separate this from No Escape but Down. Sorry to say that without coming up with anything better, but we don't want to have to rename it again.

What's the distinguishing factor of Prisoner of Zenda Exit? Is it that it's a cornered villain, while No Escape but Down is usually a pursued hero? Is it that it's "done with style"?

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#50: Jun 1st 2012 at 1:19:52 AM

[up] I don't see a big difference.

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24th Apr '12 1:03:22 PM

Crown Description:

The trope is leaping into a body of water as a means of escape. It has 25% - 50% misuse for escaping in general. Also, the titular prisoner of Zenda is Not An Example of this trope.

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