Gay marriage in Britain

I still find it quite annoying that this has been blown up further than it should be. Politically and socially speaking, this is more of a non-issue than an actual "OMG! THINGS MAY GO WRRONNNGG" thing. This doesn't affect anyone apart from the people who are getting married.

Hah, come on now! I know you're on the right side, but still, this doesn't even seem to be an issue to me. Aren't those things disappearing anyway due to the loosening of gender roles? Besides, they can be worked out.

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Easy.

Rock-paper-scissor.

Here is a better qestion: does anyone cares?

It's interesting when see how slow this thread is when compared to the US one, people in britain just don't seem to be bothered about it.

edited 8th Apr '12 5:24:53 AM by joeyjojo

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I think it's just a matter of what you need to do to get it in place.

So I'm not entirely sure if family law works the same in the UK as in Canada (probably some differences have grown over time) but it was pretty funny here when they legalised gay marriage and then promptly found out they also had to legalise gay divorce!

I like to think it's in our grand tradition of not wanting to cause a fuss.

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Well, that, and fairness. Even if it takes us half an age as shouting and kicking doors down to get what we want (including said fairness), is, by definition, making a fuss.

Of course, doing all that kicking, etc when getting rascally drunk after a night on the town after getting annoyed by the boss/ government is a different matter... Hence the bleeding riots.

Who can get het up about gay marriage, when you really want to scream about your family finances?

edited 11th Apr '12 5:22:02 PM by Euodiachloris

While it's not strictly about gay marriage, as it relates to gay rights I'm putting this here rather than in the British politics thread.

The words "Boris Johnson saves the day" are impossible to type without irony or laughing. But it's happened here, as he's blocked the response of a "we can cure your gays" Christian group to Stonewall's "Some people are gay, get over it" bus adverts - bus adverts of their own claiming that gays can be cured ("post-gay and proud!"). How on earth the campaign needed his intervention to be stopped is my question! Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/anti-gay-adverts-boris-johnson

And the earlier article about the campaign existing: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/christian-anti-gay-ads-buses?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

edited 12th Apr '12 11:14:33 AM by CaissasDeathAngel

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I'm aware that there's a mayoral election coming up, but I feel uncharacteristically charitable towards Boris Johnson after this.

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There's an election between Boris Johnson, Ken Livingstone and Brian Paddick and I'm registering to vote it in.

No wait, sorry. That was the last election with Boris Johnson, Ken Livingstone and Brian Paddick. I don't live in London anymore. But nevermind, I might be moving back in a few years so I'll be in time for another chance to vote for one of Boris Johnson, Ken Livingstone and Brian Paddick.

Oh and Brian Paddick is actually gay. Just to try and not be too much of a derail with this post.

edited 12th Apr '12 11:33:04 AM by SomeSortOfTroper

Considering that "de-gaying therapy" or whatever it's called is such an obvious, hateful scam, how much were the ASA paid off to let it pass?

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)

The question should be asked; "how in bleeding fuck did those ads actually get published?"

I mean, surely some guy at CBS Outdoors would be thinking "Hmmm, this appears to be a homophobic advert, isn't that a bit off?"

How did TFL clear it anyway? I mean surely there must be at least one level-headed person who would say "So... we're having an advert that offends 10% of the population on our buses?"

If that advert was racist, it would never have gotten through.

They probably let CBS get on with it — after all, how often do you see adverts for Car Dealers on the back or side of buses?

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I should think the ads would have come under scrutiny from the ASA anyway as they are deliberately misleading people into thinking that homosexuality can be cured and that such ideas have been discredited by like almost all reputable organisations in this area.

It was just an incredibly bitter and negative response to what was a very positive campaign by Stonewall which isn't even particularly promoting same sex marriage. The message is more anti-bullying than anything so there was simply no need for them to run this campaign aside from homophobia which they deny. I hate how emotional I get over stuff like this which would make me useless in a debate, but they are disgusting excuses for people who don't give a shit about the welfare of LGBT people or those they supposedly 'cure'. If they did they wouldn't run such potentially damaging ads. I mean just think what it could have done to someone still in the closet or simply struggling with their sexual identity. They're just spiteful and malicious and any blood spilled because of their campaign is on their hands.

This isn't about difference of opinions or freedom of speech. This is about protecting vulnerable people from their bullying.

Oh... but that assumes a synapse or two to be used in the reasoning process. I'm of the opinion they don't have the dendrites to rub together to participate in coherent debate. Hence the screaming read bus of "'cos we say so".

When you're losing, scream long and hard.

edited 15th Apr '12 7:59:12 AM by Euodiachloris

The government is cutting stuff so the TFL just accepted the large wad of cash

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A Two-Faced, US-Style 'Moral' Campaign Is Threatening LGBT Progress in the UK

This is an interesting opinion piece in the Huffington post about how a US style evangelical group is running a US style PR campagin to try to stop the Gay Marriage Act.

Also it turns out that the group arguing against same sex marriage, Campaign 4 Marriage, may have been astro-turfed by Lord Carey or some other ex-Archbishop of Canterbury.

But I'll leave with this quote:

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On the positive side, I did a web search for 'Coalition 4 marriage' and although the coalition website was indeed first it was followed by a critical news piece on it, then the Coalition For Equal Marriage, a response campaign by gay activists. Searching for 'Campaign 4 marriage' brought up the C 4 EM first, then 4 critical pieces and just neutral websites after that. The Google Deity has not blessed them it seems.

Bumping this thread as it is actually the most appropriate, for this - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19555757

Nick Clegg, the gutless fucking coward, has backed down over claims that opponents of gay marriage are bigots.

Apparently said opponents - who really are bigots - are pissed at being called out on it.

"All that is required for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing" remains a simple truth, and Clegg should not be backing down from accurate statements.

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My favourite quote from the article is this.

"The campaign group Coalition for Marriage, which opposes any change to the law, described the remarks as "intolerant"."

Well, they would know all about being intolerant...

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True.

I love the way "bigot" has suddenly become a loaded word your press office has conniptions over (particularly when aimed at bigots). When did that happen? Was I asleep, or something?

The point was that using the word would have given the opponents something to rally round that they could spin into an example of a supporter looking bad. Best not to give those twats anything at all.

Blame Gordon Brown!

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Eh, I have some sympathy for him. I'd prefer a smooth transition to legalised gay marriage, and this is the sort of thing that can make it...rocky.

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Former Archbishop Carey pulls a ridiculous Godwin at the Tory party conference

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