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#1926: Apr 4th 2017 at 11:58:32 AM

[up]"for the sake of generating controversy. "

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#1927: Apr 4th 2017 at 11:59:06 AM

Maybe he's deliberately giving higher and lower scores for the sake of using these higher and lower scores, as opposed to most reviewers who give a game a 7/10 unless it either cures cancer and rains chocolate pudding, or single-handedly causes global warming and famine.

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#1928: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:03:28 PM

Jim would have caused controversy whether he gives a score or not. People just blow things out of proportion because they don't like the bad things that Jim says about their favorite thing. See, No Mans Sky.

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#1929: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:03:42 PM

@What's There to Clickbait?: Well, publicity for one. No Such Thing as Bad Publicity, especially if you're spinning things in a way where the only people that 'lose' are the ones who declare war over something as minor as a scathing review.

Of note, he did give the game a worse score than Mighty No. 9. That got a 4 while Yooka-Laylee here got a 2.
Given how most other reviews so far aren't anywhere near as scathing as Jim's (albeit still somewhat critical of Yooka-Laylee,) I can kind of see why his own review of the game is getting a lot of confused looks at the moment.

edited 4th Apr '17 12:04:22 PM by NesClassic

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#1930: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:04:45 PM

He thought the game was shit so he gave it a crappy score. It'd be nice if reviewers could do that without being accused of "clickbait."

Clickbait on a site he generates no ad revenue from and does not measure the traffic of.

edited 4th Apr '17 12:05:06 PM by RBluefish

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#1931: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:07:03 PM

If only there was a universal scoring metric every critic followed...

But then they'd be out of a job wouldn't they? tongue

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#1932: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:12:27 PM

To be clickbait, the "bait" part must happen. Primarily in the title, as that's what you see before you click.

Example of clickbait: "YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT LUMINOSITY THINKS ABOUT MURDERING KITTENS! THE ANSWER WILL SHOCK YOU!"

And then once you click, I say: "Of course I think murdering kittens is wrong. Why am I even being asked this?"

That's clickbait. It implies misdirection.

[down] Obviously to only tell me what I want to hear. It's the point of most people, apparently

edited 4th Apr '17 12:18:04 PM by Luminosity

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#1933: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:13:53 PM

What would even be the point of a game reviewer if he wasn't allowed to not like some of the games?

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1934: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:20:17 PM

It has more to do with the way people view video game reviews.

Some people hold the idea that even if you don't like a game, you should be judging it primarily on its "objective" qualities and not your subjective experience. I think giving a decent score to something you don't personally care for that much when you realize it has good craftsmanship is a perfectly valid way to review things, but not necessarily what everyone should be doing because at the end of the day a review is just an opinion.

I haven't really seen Yooka-Laylee in action to discern where the low score might have come from, exactly, but Jim has been known to have some unpopular opinions every now and then. He doesn't like Vanquish, love Dynasty Warriors, etc. If we must use game scores I think it's better to think of the score as the "experience" of the game, if that makes any sense. Because games are ultimately more (and sometimes less) than their individual flaws and components. So for Jim, Yooka-Laylee is a 2/10 experience.

Really though, I don't like the numerical rating system mostly because different numbers mean different things to different people and they rate things differently.

I'm past the point where I get upset at someone's review. If I don't agree with it, I'll just shrug and maybe just not pay attention to that person's reviews anymore if I feel they don't tell me anything useful or if I think they're unreasonable.

edited 4th Apr '17 12:23:05 PM by Draghinazzo

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#1935: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:37:04 PM

I don't like Vanquish. To me it's an awkwardly paced "Recharge Wait: The Game" with no ending.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#1936: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:13:24 PM

To be honest, I find giving score in reviews kinda dumb since it just encourages readers to skip reading content for easy short hands [lol] And then starts ridiculous conversations about objectiveness

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1937: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:13:54 PM

It's fine if you feel that way but my point is that it's a minority opinion which was also expressed by Jim, i.e he isn't a guy who is going to reliably give every big game a great score or fall in line with the majority, he is very opinionated hence why he's been "blacklisted" by several companies.

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#1938: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:30:58 PM

This falls in line with what Jim does to games he hates, yes. I also think it would be unfair to call it clickbaity because the score is at the end of the review. You have to read through the text to reach the score and get an idea of what he thinks.

As for the title of the review, it falls in line with his regular titles too. It's a smappy bit of wordplay. I'd think proper clickbait would be more along the lines of "THIS Yooka-Laylee review will make you think TWICE before buying it..."

Personal thoughts: I'm a little disappointed this was not a home run. It isn't a good look for kickstarter, having another game come out and just kinda be there. It would be a goddamn shame if this damages KS's rep, since it's produced many games I really like.

edited 4th Apr '17 1:35:15 PM by mrsunshinesprinkles

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Davidnellis29 Since: Mar, 2017
#1939: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:42:28 PM

Of note, he did give the game a worse score than Mighty No. 9. That got a 4 while Yooka-Laylee here got a 2.
He reviewed Might No. 9 the game, not Mighty No. 9 the kickstarter campaign or Mighty No. 9 the advertising campaign that made weab's blind with rage. The game itself doesnt carry over the very worst things that 1989 sidescrollers did for no other reason than because old games did it.

edited 4th Apr '17 1:42:44 PM by Davidnellis29

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#1940: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:45:55 PM

[up][up] Yeah, MN 9 and Yooka-Laylee were probably the two biggest gaming kickstarter projects I can think of. The fact that MN 9 bombed as hard as it did and YL isn't looking as good as people would have hoped is really gonna erode confidence because people only remember the failures, not the numerous successful and well-regarded crowdfunded releases like Shovel Knight and Undertale.

edited 4th Apr '17 1:46:09 PM by Draghinazzo

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#1941: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:46:50 PM

The game itself doesnt carry over the very worst things that 1989 sidescrollers did for no other reason than because old games did it.

You mean besides the lives system that a better nostalgia-driven game easily worked around?

mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
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#1942: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:50:08 PM

[up][up]Or Divinity, Shadowrun, Wasteland and Pillars.

Uh...at least Kickstarter is a proven quantity for the Western RPG???? They generally seem to deliver super hard.

edited 4th Apr '17 1:50:43 PM by mrsunshinesprinkles

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#1943: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:51:05 PM

He reviewed Might No. 9 the game, not Mighty No. 9 the kickstarter campaign or Mighty No. 9 the advertising campaign that made weab's blind with rage.

It also does things 1989 games had learned NOT to do. Like making enemy projectiles meld with the background coz both are identical bright shades of colors. Make a clear difference between foreground and background objects. Or design bosses that punish you for using the weapon they are weak against. I'll admit, from what I've seen, I've got trouble believe yooka-laylee is as broken a game as Mighty Number 9 was.

Heck, there's a guy who made a 6 part video series on shit Mighty Number 9 did wrong in terms of videogame design that Megaman didn't.

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#1944: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:52:58 PM

I thought Mighty No. 9 was okay. I just didn't really like the "Dash into enemies" mechanic. And disliking one of the central mechanics of the game is a bit of a deal-breaker.

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Davidnellis29 Since: Mar, 2017
#1945: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:14:33 PM

As did Jim. He gave it a 4/10. Aka. "Oh fuck you.". He just gave Yookoo Laylee a "FUCK YOU HARD!" 2/10.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#1946: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:17:10 PM

Jim's not being click-baity, as described above, but that doesn't stop him from just trying to have a contrasting opinion just for the sake of being contrasting.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1947: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:19:34 PM

What if he legitimately thinks the game is that bad though? I never got the impression he ever wanted to hate the game or anything so it isn't as if he has a chip on his shoulder.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#1948: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:30:07 PM

Yeah, I'm getting a little tired of someone coming out of the woodwork to accuse Jim of nefarious ulterior motives every time he gives a game anything less than a perfect score.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#1949: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:34:43 PM

I'm not expecting perfection for every score, I just think a 2/10 for Yooka-Laylee is RIDICULOUS.

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#1950: Apr 4th 2017 at 2:35:22 PM

Eh, people are stupid.

I mean, I hang around with you bunch, don't I?

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.

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