World of Darkness (New & Old) - General Discussion Thread

The 20th anniversary editions don't use the new rules. You still have to keep track of difficulties, dice pools, the exact number of successes and any modifiers to these three variables.

Pretty much all dislike of the new world of darkness stems from it not just being a direct continuation of Vampire: The Masquerade with Tzimisce and Malkavians and whatnot (despite it being easy to add them back in as bloodlines, and there are a dozen high-quality fan-made hacks that do that and one half-baked official booklet). Because heaven forbid the company actually want to try something new or drop the 90's zeitgeist. I doubt most haters have ever read past the core rulebooks, if those.

New World of Darkness has already become just as sprawling and convoluted and badly designed as Old World of Darkness ever was. I'm just tired of bad design and splat bloat from both games.

Rules of 20th Anniversary Edition are not complex.

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I never said they were, I simply stated that they've hardly changed from Revised edition.

Demon: The Descent is on Kickstarter now.

"A Storytelling Game of Techgnostic Espionage". The whole spy thriller angle sounds interesting enough, though I never really went for the original Demon. Concept doesn't exactly grab me immediately (seems a bit done), but the text is up free right now so I'll check it out later.

EDIT: After reading a bit of the fluff, I've warmed up to a bit more. I have a birthday coming up very soon, so I'll probably get it.

edited 13th Nov '13 8:15:15 AM by MangaManiac

I was I'm under impression the 20th anniversary edition ported a lot of the rules from New World Of Darkness to the darkness of old. And I mistaking? Alas I don't have $94 lying around

Indeed.

edited 12th Nov '13 4:47:48 PM by joeyjojo

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Yeah. By USA law, you cannot copyright or trademark game mechanics.

No, you're thinking of the translation guides. Those are quick and dirty guides to converting between the two rule systems. The 20th anniversary editions just reprint the splats from Revised edition and make a few inconsequential changes to certain rules, and also make a few mistakes. For example, Thanatosis is retained as a discipline even though it should really be folded into Mortis/Necromancy, while Spiritus is brought back as a discipline despite Revised retconning it into the thaumaturgy discipline. They also mistakenly retconned the backstory of Werewolf to include a war between humans and garou that wasn't there before. Not to mention the swathes of rules that weren't included.

Oh. Damn

Rosvo1 Hope you didn't folk over your hard owned cash on my account...

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Um, I kinda didn't buy it.

Oh you had a friend who leant you a copy?

Wasn't that convenient?

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Yes.

I totally didn't download it off Pirate Bay.

Why would you think that?

Dunno, I found werewolf vs human war neat. It's kinda like in Nasuverse that Gaia opposes humans at least to some extent because they threathen her existence (and ultimately outlive her).

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Something about that human vs. werewolf war rubs me the wrong way.

Well, this all may be lies and propaganda. Some werewolves claim they were responsible for humans establishing first cities while some vampires credit Caine for building the first city. As usual, the truth may lie elsewhere.

It's like canon of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay The Second Edition's has three contrasting accounts on how the world was shaped.

Gods did it vs aliens did it vs gods, controlled by aliens, did it

And High Elves claim all this three accounts are true.

edited 13th Nov '13 1:14:28 AM by CaptainKatsura

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umm... hello everyone!

I didn't know this thread existed, but I'm in college, and one of my friends who I met is running a world of darkness campaign that I am in. So I will begin lurking in hopes that I can figure out how to abuse the system when we meet next week.

I know literally NOTHING except for the stuff that's come up... and usually that's just us failing at accomplishing anything. ever. we spend 2 hours arguing over what to do, and then finally make a decision, and someone botches.

Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.

A tip: If one's want to enhance effects of Paradox, look at Perils of Warp or Curse of Tzeentch charts in Warhammer 40K and Warhammer Fantasy R Ps respectively for bloody hilarious effects.

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So, I'm gonna be running a Requiem game.

I'll still make you to participate in V:tM. There is no escape.

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Who says that I'm trying to escape?

Good. You're compliant

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I think I need an adult.

I'm an adult.

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Alright.

Also, I've realized that I need to come up with a plot.

If no idea for plot, go for crazy.

My silly idea: Steve Jobs as Tzimisce vampire who experiments with centi-I Pads.

Replace Tzimisce with whatever Evil Genius vampires you have in Requiem and villain is ready.

edited 13th Nov '13 4:08:04 AM by CaptainKatsura

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No, I think I have a plot.

It's either gonna be a murder mystery or a nomads game.

The story behind Werewolf: The Apocalypse always struck me as anthropocentric. Yes, rabid environmentalists will have you believe mankind will destroy the biosphere, but honestly we're transient guests at best. The game is also preachy, especially in the modern age: technology is enhancing everyone's lives and the game's whole point is that technology is evil (Book of the Weaver explicitly states the Glasswalkers are deluded) and in China, the most polluted country on the planet where entire villages are afflicted with pollution-induced deformities, the majority of the population are complaining and demanding greener policies.

In order to buy into WTA's worldview, the game setting becomes increasingly diverged from our own reality (and not just because of the supernatural). Chernobyl is a wildlife preserve where wolves have returned after being gone for years, where radiotrophic fungus has evolved inside the reactors, and other stuff you could put into ecological propaganda. Whereas in WTA it's a lifeless radioactive desert. In real life the Chinese people complain about pollution all the time. In WTA they meekly accept an entire generation and every generation afterward being born with crippling deformities, of having their atmosphere literally unbreathable without gas masks.

I could understand if werewolves were fighting against Cthulhu to keep him from trying to xenoform the Earth, but I can't take the threat of humans seriously. Life always finds a way. And everywhere except in the US you're considered a lunatic and could lose your job for denying global warming.

edited 13th Nov '13 5:51:31 AM by Zenoseiya