All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

That's true.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Why?

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!

Saber does have a ranged attack, though. Two, in fact. She has her Excaliblast and she can also shoot Invisible Air off if need be.

Besides, her Magic Resistance means that absolutely nothing Harry could throw at her would do anything.

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I can't believe we're discussing this, but actually, in the Carnival Phantasm race, all Harry needs is outracing her, and for the most part she and Shirou were hanging long behind the others only to make a last second catchup. The Saber Lion Ride was laughably slow until Shirou began putting coins in like crazy.

Of course, he still gets blasted down long before that point, so it's a moot point anyway.

You're aware that we're talking in the context of the Holy Grail Race, right?

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No, not really.

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Maybe it would be a good idea to read the conversation before you reply, huh?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I did, it's just that Harry in the HGW proper was mentioned just a few posts before and the post I was replying to would hold pretty much true regardless of which one it was talking about.

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No, it doesn't hold in both. It only holds in a proper Grail War in which they'd be fighting.

In a situation in which her enemy is running away from her, Saber has basically nothing to hit her enemies from afar short of a very lucky shot with Excalibur.

If she had Rhongomyniad, she'd be able to snipe whoever it is from half a continent away, but without it, Saber has only two means of ranged attacks, the very short ranged Invisible Air and the slow Excaliblast.

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We're talking Servant Caster here, right? Not Master? Because in Master-to-Master combat, a one hit KO beam, the Shield Charm, and the ability to teleport ain't nothing to sneeze at. He's hosed if he lets them get within kung-fuing range, though.

As Caster, well, poor kung-fuing ability and lol Magic Resistance are pretty common to Casters in general, so I wouldn't hold those against him too much. He's still got a variety of utility magic and that trusty teleportation trick, so he could do some damage if he fought smart. Access to the invisibility cloak and/or a flying broom would help a good deal there. He'd be an underdog, but not a complete joke.

If I recall correctly, Avada Kedavra requires the caster to hold a lot of hatred for the target (or perhaps just a lot of hatred in general) so there's no way Harry would be able to use it on anyone in the HGW under normal conditions. Same goes for the other Unforgivables.

Harry's ability to Apparate would be useful but Medea could also teleport and it didn't help her out that much so yeah.

As for Firebolt, again, Medea could also fly. Also, the fact that his flight is tied to an item rather than being innate means that he'd be in a lot of trouble once somebody figures that out (which would be basically instantly). I also don't think broomsticks are quite as agile as Medea's flight so Archer would just annihilate him.

How many offensive spells does Harry even have? I don't know of any others outside of Avada Kedavra and Sectumsempra (although that one would probably be pretty damn useful).

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Master to Master he'd do pretty alright, I agree with that, though he'd have to rely a lot on his magic's superior and wider range to keep people guessing because if they figure out his tricks... well, so far, every Master in a Grail War has been superhuman one way or another, while Harry has no such buffs. He'd be slower and weaker than everybody else so he needs to fight smart.

Luckily for him, HP Wizards can be insanely dangerous if they fight smart instead of standing in the open shouting Stupefy, thanks to all their utility stuff.

A few things:

Harry can actually use Avada Kedavra. One of the criticisms of the last book was, in fact, Harry making use of it.

Medea could move around the sky with more agility than Harry's firebolt, true, but Harry's firebolt is much, much faster. Think of it as the difference between a Kart racer and a dragster. I

Those said, Harry likely would not be able to do much of anything in a fight between servants.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:57:55 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Wait, I remember Potter using crucio and imperio, when'd he use Avada?

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I can't remember myself, but I do remember people whining about it.

It might've been whining about him using the unforgivables in general tho.

The last book is the only one I'll never reread because it's the only one I found actually boring.

edited 23rd Jan '17 8:21:07 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Speaking of which, there's a very good Harry Potter/Fate story here. (It's also on Spacebattles and has a tropes page).

It's dead, but it features a solid idea of how wizards in Harry Potter could fight when they fight smart, especially with various cultural divides in terms of magic (an Iranian character uses an older variant of Avada Kedavra that kills germs and the like to sterilize wounds, creating some confusion for the British wizards present).

Objection! Ryuunousuke is an ordinary human being. So is Kouzuki technically. Despite his mad skills he does need Caster to buff him to be effective against servants. Shinji too really since he has no magic of his own and is entirely reliant on a mystic code to function as Rider's master.

HOLD IT!

Uryuu Ryuunosuke is clearly not an ordinary human being. I present to you, Evidence #1◊, Uryuu Ryuunosuke making working instruments out of a still living child's intestines.

That is a realm of crafting skill beyond that of humanity and as such, superhuman.

And were that not enough, the man was capable of summoning a servant, which automatically qualifies him for 'Superhuman', as that is simply not something that a common human would be able to do.

Aha! This argument is self defeating, my friend! For you see, the very enhancements that Caster casts upon him increase his speed, strength and endurance to the superhuman levels required for him to tangle with Saber, thereby making him 'superhuman', even if only briefly and artificially.

But that Mystic Code does make him superhuman, friend, for it grants him the ability to utilize magic, however limited, and that is certainly not something that any normal human could do, is it not?

The prosecution rests.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

NOT SO FAST!

But we're talking about Harry James Potter here who can use magic and, as such by your definitions, qualifies as superhuman!

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:46:52 PM by Zelenal

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OBJECTION! (I just really wanted to shout it!)

The defense is attempting to digress from the matter being discussed, that is, whether the participants of the grail war in question can be qualified as Superhuman individuals or not!

edited 23rd Jan '17 4:28:20 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

You've got that wrong!

The prosecution has concluded that Harry James Potter is at a disadvantage as a Master based on two premises: Firstly that all Masters were superhuman and secondly that Harry Potter isn't. Disproving either premise disproves the conclusion, and thus an attempt to do so isn't a digression.

Stunner, yo. That's the one-hit KO I mentioned. He also knows a random assortment of hexes and the force-beam reducto, but there's a reason most wizards default to yelling "Stupefy" in combat.

Also, Harry's noted for his agility on a broom, which helps.

Attempt At Quantitative Comparison!

Compared to any Master but Shiro and Shinji, Potter would still lose. Rin, closest representative we see to a 'normal' magus (we know she's a gifted genius, but factoring in a lack of experience, age and cynicism, it all levels out to 'average'), can make her body superhuman, with above-human strength, speed, resiliency and other abilities. Even allowing that they might be equal in magical combat ability (though I point out that with a Crest, Rin has a much deeper bag of tricks to draw from), Rin would have an edge in information-gathering, territory preparation (traps), a willingness to get into melee range and punch faces, and the prior formal training to take advantage of all this.

All other Masters bar Shinji and Shiro can be argued to also possess at least one or more of these equivalent properties. Of them, Shinji is a threat only because of his Servant, and Shiro is a Main Character, and thus is 90% likely to live anyway.

edited 23rd Jan '17 5:32:55 PM by SCMof2814

Going with that train of logic, Harry also has a guaranteed victory against Caster's original Master.

Caster's original Master was a Magus, so we can conclude he had at least Rin's level of abilities, a fuckton of money, and no morals, as we saw. Even Lord El-Melloi 1 wasn't exactly a pushover for Kiritsugu.

I'VE GOT YOU!

I shall replay for you the Prosecution's actual words as they contend to this point!

As you can plainly see in the quoted text, the prosecution ascertained that he lacks, as so colloquially put, 'buffs'. The prosecution did not, in fact, state that Mr. Potter is not superhuman, thus, attempting to prove such a point is a digression as it is not the point in contention!

The prosecution's conclusion was not that Mr. Potter would be effectively helpless in a grail war, but rather, that he lacks the gifts necessry to go toe to toe with most, if not all, of the combatants, for one reason or another, be it access to superior weaponry, abilities or techniques, or simply the possession of a twisted and psychotic mind that would utilize the gifts granted to them in ways that would give them an advantage over the young Mr. Potter!

A second drawn conclusion was that Mr. Potter would give an excellent showing were he to employ his brain more thoroughly in his approach to warfare, as his vast and versatile repertory of magic, of both utility and attacking purpose, could be applied in a myriad ways that would help him achieve victory, even with the innate disadvantages afforded to him by his incomplete education as well as possibly subpar training provided by a devastated Auror office incapable of bringing out his potential for greatness.

In their attempts to reach victory in this case, the defendant has attempted to deviate from the prosecution's original case, that is, the performance of Mr. Potter in the hypothetical scenario of his involvement in a grail war, not whether or not Mr. Potter himself was superhuman.

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We're playing this trial Danganronpa-style, right?

The problem with Phoenix Wright is it never ends with a bloody over the top execution.