Is used for two definitions: Screw Destiny

The page for Screw Destiny is used for two separate definitions. And both get used across the various work pages.

1. The first definition are characters who do not believe that destiny or fate exists. Sometimes applied when this is a fact of the setting Some examples of this use:
   • The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: This is an actual element of the setting; there are certain individuals who are born who do not have destinies at all. These individuals are able to dramatically change history simply by existing.
   • Sliding Scale of Free Will vs. Fate lists Screw Destiny as a setting without fate.

2. The second definition is a character who actively tries to avoid his own destiny. Said Destiny is spelled out, and the character attempts to avert it, successfully or not.
   • Most of the examples on the page itself list this.

edited 19th Jan '12 10:29:31 PM by Ghilz

It could be nice to get a proper definition of Screw Destiny. Because the current one is a rambling mess. And I believe

Another example of type 1: "Any non-religious person finds themselves in a cold uncaring universe, so incredibly massive that they are little more than a speck on a speck on a speck. Humanity is an insignificant anomaly on a small part of the surface of a small planet, and the universe won't even notice when we vanish. (in Kelvin it's a very warm uncaring universe) Like we care what the universe thinks!" Found on the page itself.

I think we need to differentiate between people who try to fight their destiny and fail (often because they tried to fight it, making it a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy) and those people who actually succeed in avoiding their destiny. Right now the trope is defined only as the latter, but I've seen it used for both.

So, Screw Destiny is a trope where a character doesn't believe You Can't Fight Fate. It comes in three flavors; characters that cannot be predicted, characters that attempt to avert their future and fail, and characters who successfully avert a prediction.

Do I have that right?

Bump. Are we going to split the page?

If they fail it isn't this trope at all, it's You Can't Fight Fate and/or Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.

I do think we should have separate tropes for "the desire to Screw Destiny or non-belief in it" (for which Screw Destiny is a good name) and "a successful attempt to Screw Destiny" (something like No Fate But What We Make). The first one has two opposite possible outcomes; either NFBWWM, or You Can't Fight Fate.

edited 30th Mar '12 5:02:41 AM by johnnye

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