That's not what the word means (alt-title crowner): Napier get usage counts

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51 Xtifr8th Sep 2012 02:20:00 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of any of the options, but the winner at least made the meaning clear, unlike Fake Mark.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
52 Ironeye9th Sep 2012 08:29:47 PM from SoCal , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
I think Fake Mark will be plenty clear any time it's in-context (i.e. every time, if examples are being written properly).
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
53 SeptimusHeap9th Sep 2012 11:35:29 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
^Which they often won't. I really wish we had a way to prevent Zero Context Examples from being added.
54 Ironeye10th Sep 2012 02:02:59 AM from SoCal , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
I can't believe I'm saying this, since I'm usually one of the people arguing for more clarity, but attempting to find names that make complete sense with no context will lead us down the path of madness. The results are usually clunky as hell, since the name has to provide its own context, and they can still be misinterpreted because they don't provide context for the context—the English language can be a bitch that way. (Is it a con where the con man has to wear the mark's clothes at some point to pull off the con?)

I don't think overly context-dependent names are good, but when the required context is "person" and "con", I don't think we're not asking for too much.

All that being said, I disagree with Eddie's decision to Admin Fiat the name, even if I do like the name he picked.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
55 Xtifr10th Sep 2012 02:41:54 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I agree that we do sometimes get too focused on pure clarity, to the exclusion of all else, at TRS sometimes. But Fake Mark seems just too potentially unclear to me. It does win on conciseness, but that's the only advantage I see, and Conman in Mark's Clothing is not exactly a long name, and it definitely wins on both clarity and wit. (The wit may not be outstanding, but it's non-zero.)

If this were a more common trope, I might be more concerned with conciseness, but honestly, I've been hunting for examples for the YKTTW, and it really doesn't seem to be as common as I thought it would be.

eta: if even you happen to realize that "mark" is being used in the context of a con, instead of any of the other dozen meanings of the word, you can still misunderstand Fake Mark as being, for example, a third party you're pretending to con so that the real con isn't spotted.

edited 10th Sep '12 2:44:03 AM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
56 SeptimusHeap10th Sep 2012 02:42:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up][up]That was actually discussed in Wiki Talk recently.

edited 10th Sep '12 2:43:10 AM by SeptimusHeap

57 lu12726th Oct 2012 10:53:07 PM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
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Alternative Titles: Napier
6th May '12 7:22:58 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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