New American States

Seeing as the Puerto Rico thread has become completely de-railed by this, I figured this would be helpful.

Wikipedia page for reference

The other thread ended with California split-ideas, so we'll pick up there.

Well other than Peurto Rico, are there any other serious contenders for being a new state (ignoring state splitting for a second)?

Only ones I can think of right now are D.C., and the proposed fusion of the Northern Marianas and Guam.

The second one has had concrete movements in the past year or so.

Unless you want to piss off the Canadians theres not a lot of others. Besides the former British colony on South America.

Guyana. I've heard whispers of some people wanting them to join. Theres a lot of people from Guyana in America actually, almost enough to vote them into a state if they went home en mass.

They even have a Website!

edited 17th Jan '12 6:28:15 PM by Joesolo

Poll in Jamaica I read about in the economist said that 60% of Jamaicans though Jamaica would be better off being a colony of the British again.

Possible for US to step in?

Also this:

Anybody else see the cavalcade of issues?

edited 17th Jan '12 6:31:27 PM by RAWieren

there are also American Samoa (64,869p)

also member of Compact of Free Association, which independent but dominated economically by US, might join if become a state is better option.

they are Palau (20,879p), the Federated States of Micronesia(111,000p), and the Marshall Islands(62,000p)

another useful wiki article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_partition_proposals

RA, I see the need to invest in popcorn company stocks.

That sixty percent thinking they'd be better off being part of Britain again suggests they're more likely to approach Britain than the US. Most likely to do with the fact that they have cultural ties now to Britain that they don't to us.

Anyway, there's the Northern Marianas Islands, the US Virgin Islands, and Guam that I know we currently control as territories. Two of those don't have the population necessary to apply for American statehood, but they are unlikely to thrive if they went independent. (In fact, if they do go independent, it would most likely be as an associated state so that our military would be out there to defend them.) The Marianas and Guam could merge themselves together to apply for statehood, but I don't know enough about their culture or political movements to know if that's viable. The US Virgin Islands have well over the necessary population, but I don't know if they've ever put the possibility up for vote for the locals like Puerto Rico has.

Well I for one would welcome a bit more unity in the English speaking world. Maybe we stay our own nations, but combine our economies with a single currency?

Europe will never accept Great Britain (they never have, and never will - there's too much of a divide, culture wise, as history has shown time and time again), but America, hell, we ARE British where it counts.

I don't know. Maybe they should be a colony for a few years first.

I doubt they would accept it. Unless instead of "America", it was some kinda of "United Democratic Union". Or something else. "Udu" Is kinda a weird acronym.

I doubt they'd want to join out right though. They'd basically get everything the controlled jacked out from under them and changed.

I could see a great big happy English-Union. That'd be cool. Merging our space-funds would be good too.

edited 17th Jan '12 6:43:04 PM by Joesolo

How are we British, aside from having been ruled by Britain over two hundred years ago? And the Eurozone is proving the trials that one can face with a unified currency between countries. You'd have to actively bring up the ones who are down in order to make that a less risky prospect.

The question wasn't asked about the United States though. I'd be curious to see what the results would have been.

North American Federation?

edited 17th Jan '12 6:44:34 PM by RAWieren

We're more British then the French are.

The British would feel left out. It would include U.S., Canada, and Jamaica, but that's about it. Naf is kinda funny too. Need something cool.

edited 17th Jan '12 6:49:04 PM by Joesolo

Ace, "British" in that much of what currently exists was built on the basis of English common law and society. There's obviously been drift over the centuries, but ultimately the UK is the country with which the US shares the most congruences (for lack of a better term off the top of my sleep-deprived head).

Well, calling it the United States of the Atlantic (Or the Atlantic Federation) has a distinct problem, so what else?

edited 17th Jan '12 6:48:06 PM by RAWieren

E.S.A.E. English Speaking Alliance of Earth. That way we don't need to re-write everything if a off-world colony revolts.

How did we go from discussing possible American states to our country joining up with Britain joining in a transatlantic unions so fast?

Please, rerail this thread.

Because some nut who doesn't understand logistics proposed in a British Newspaper for the UK to join the US as 4 different states.

Technically still in subject, but I get your point.

.*checks Thread* someone seemed to have brought up britain joining, I mention they wouldn't want to, and would prefer a union of some sort. then It Got Worse.

Damn Ninjas

So. Canadians, who wants to be state 51?

edited 17th Jan '12 6:54:42 PM by Joesolo

States 51-61.

Province would equal a state.

But then we would still have a problem. They got three runt territories, all with populations less than 60,000. Though, if one combined Nunavut with the Inuit-majority areas in Northern Quebec....

I really, really oppose DC becoming a State.

I'd be happy if Puerto Rico decided to become one. I care little if California decides to split, or Texas, or whoever else.

DC needs something so that it gets shafted less in regards to representation. They have to approach Congress if they wanted to do anything with their city, it's ridiculous.

Well, since we're going to ignore that Canadians don't wan't to be part of the US (not even a little), I should also point out that Quebec has been pretty defensive over the years about keeping all of it's territory, for there are many resources in north Quebec.

As I've said repeatedly, I believe they should join one of the two States around them. Insofar as I'm concerned, that's the end of it. I do not think they should become a State. They are a city, not a State, no matter their population.

It's been a separate entity for over two hundred years now, so for all that I think they would continue to count as a separate area.