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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#1: Jan 4th 2012 at 2:49:49 PM

Lots of problems here. It's a pretty dead trope, the description is kind of opaque and some of the examples don't seem to have anything to do with the trope, or aren't explained. I think this needs broadening or tweaking and the name should be reconsidered. Here's a hint: it's not just about dwarves.

edited 4th Jan '12 2:50:13 PM by NoirGrimoir

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#2: Jan 4th 2012 at 3:02:16 PM

Ha ha, the examples are awful. What the hell does 300 and especially the "This is Sparta!" quote have to do with this trope? Even the Lord of the Rings example isn't quite right. And as usual, we have the obligatory Zero Context Example (from an anime, no fucking surprise) with some dude from whatever it is that snowcloned that awful Record of the Loudness War title. This thing needs some serious help.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#3: Jan 4th 2012 at 3:03:15 PM

I'm not even sure what the trope here is. Proclaim Your Racial Identity perhaps?

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DrMcNinja Batman Since: May, 2011
Batman
#4: Jan 4th 2012 at 3:07:30 PM

To be honest the only times I remember seeing something related to this is in the Forgotten Realms novels, in those about Drizzt and his companions (Bruenor Battlehammer being a quite good example), but almost nowhere else. Maybe it's Too Rare To Trope?

edited 4th Jan '12 3:07:42 PM by DrMcNinja

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#5: Jan 4th 2012 at 3:09:54 PM

I think what this is or should be is, "if you are in X group or race, you go around saying you are all the time for no real reason other than to remind everyone." I think that would be tropable.

edited 4th Jan '12 3:10:20 PM by NoirGrimoir

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#6: Jan 4th 2012 at 3:09:57 PM

...I'm not even sure I understand what this is supposed to be in the first place. Bleeping example as thesis.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#7: Jan 4th 2012 at 3:22:54 PM

Freaking snowclone of Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today? which is a snowclone of Have I Mentioned I Am Gay?. And all three tropes are basically the same: Every single time X character, who is a member of a particular group, is mentioned, so is the fact that they possess Characteristic Y.

edited 4th Jan '12 3:23:08 PM by Madrugada

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#8: Jan 4th 2012 at 3:28:23 PM

Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today? seems to be more about the Suspiciously Specific Denial aspect. Is this? I have no idea whatsoever.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#9: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:27:26 AM

I think this trope is supposed to be a Fantastic Aesop about Have I Mentioned I Am Gay?. To use an obvious physical aspect as a stand-in for characters who feel the need to mention irrelevant aspects of the situation, without getting accused of gay-bashing....

Or it's just a joke? The trope itself is snowcloned into imitating it for a laugh? No idea... I'm tempted to ask it to be sent back to the ykttw if not cut, so that it has some time to "cook" into something real with a real name.

edited 5th Jan '12 7:28:04 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#10: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:31:13 AM

I say we cut the bastard.

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DrMcNinja Batman Since: May, 2011
Batman
#11: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:33:59 AM

Noir Grimoir's description might be good, but sincerely, I'd prefer it starting in YKTTW rather than trying to fix this trope to make it go with that definition. I also think that cutting it would be the best option.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#12: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:05:22 AM

While I think this is a trope, I don't think "dwarf" is the right word to use here. While dwarves are certainly a race in fantasy literature, the more common meaning of the word in real life is basically "short people".

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Firebert That One Guy from Somewhere in Illinois Since: Jan, 2001
That One Guy
Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#14: Jan 5th 2012 at 11:38:11 AM

Cut it. Doesn't seem to be a genuine trope.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#15: Jan 5th 2012 at 3:27:24 PM

I guess we should have a crowner. Like Option 1: Cut. Option 2: Redefine and send through YKTTW.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
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#16: Jan 8th 2012 at 5:22:01 AM

I support sending it back to YKTTW, because there seems to be a trope here, it just has a bad description and bad examples.

And I much prefer Proclaim Your Racial Identity.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#17: Jan 8th 2012 at 5:41:26 AM

You want to do that for us?

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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
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#18: Jan 8th 2012 at 6:10:38 AM

[up]Truth be told, I'm not sure how. Never done it before. :-/

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#19: Jan 8th 2012 at 7:23:58 AM

Put a note up at the top saying you're re YKTTW ing it. Maybe post a link to this thread. Then run it like a normal YKTTW.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
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#20: Jan 8th 2012 at 2:05:54 PM

[up]Thank you! I assume the present page will be cut.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#21: Jan 8th 2012 at 3:44:10 PM

Let's see, 32 inbounds and 14 wicks in twelve months, that comes out to less than 3 people per month to the wiki and 1 entry per month, so I think so.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
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#22: Jan 8th 2012 at 4:19:43 PM

Sounds good. YKTTW is up and in order.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
Chowder Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Jan 25th 2012 at 7:19:43 PM

I know the conversation's been over for a couple weeks, but for what it's worth it looks like a subset of Cultural Posturing.

Myra Since: Oct, 2011
#24: Jan 28th 2012 at 5:35:03 AM

[up][up] Could you give a link to it? I can't seem to find this trope on YKTTW.

Also, can we cutlist this trope while the new one is still in YKTTW, or should we wait until it launches?

DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
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#25: Jan 28th 2012 at 10:24:32 AM

Here's the link https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=d24g1unmxyu147vkdzltbdk1

And I don't think anything would be lost if the current page were cut right away.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
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