Would that it were so simple.
I'm of the opinion that we've been giving Lucas too much credit for too many decades as some sort of supergenius storyteller, when he's really just some guy, and doesn't seem nearly as devoted to the universe's little details or the rigors of the story's internal logic as any one fan would be. That's what makes it so jarring to some people when their idea of George Lucas is confronted with these bizarre episodes.
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It brings the point that Han solo IS soundrel and not so diferent that bounty hunter we see, which clash with the white and black morality of the series, is with the superhero stuff: is there but shoudnt see it.
Also I dont think Anakin is misread, just badly done.
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Even the original Star Wars script was shitty. What really made the movie good was it had a godly editor, Paul Hirsch, who turned a really bad movie into Star Wars and earned a well deserved Academy Award for it.
Hell most of the good Star Wars stuff was done with the help of someone else or technical limitations forced creatively.
edited 29th Mar '16 11:04:16 PM by Memers
I have heard many stories of who really deserves credit or not, some contradicting one another. And quite frankly, I don't believe in the notion that Lucas is getting too much credit now these days. If anything, I see people taking away credit to justify their blame on Lucas without admitting his central and key role behind the process. I think if anyone deserves as much credit as Lucas for making Star Wars Star Wars if not moreso, it's Ralph Mcquarrie and his concept artworks.
Yeah, I have seen some of that, while the guy is a blame in many decision, some of the vitrol sound "George lucas didnt do shit to the saga except fuck it badly"
Is pretty much the "George lucas raped my childhood" fandumb
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@Memers: Don't forget Marcia Lucas! Both she and Paul Hirsch (along with Richard Chew) won an Academy Award for editing A New Hope.
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Personally, I definitely think that Lucas deserves at least some credit. He's the one who got the ball rolling, after all.
Even if a lot of his ideas needed to be changed, edited, or were just no good, I don't think he deserves all the negativity and anger that's directed at him.
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Snoke is working for Jar Jar who is working for tr8r who is working for thrawn who is working for Revan
Aside from Wookies, what else races did Lucas not want being Jedi? I mean, would he oppose having Jawas, Gamorreans, and Ewoks as Jedi?
He outright said Hutt's were not capable of being force sensitive, and also had restrictions on Tusken Raiders. I think it was mostly to limit every single writer coming in from making Jedi from the major film aliens, also encouraging the creation of new aliens instead of rehashing all the old ones.
Would that it were so simple.
"Even if a lot of his ideas needed to be changed, edited, or were just no good, I don't think he deserves all the negativity and anger that's directed at him."
I'm not necessarily saying that he doesn't deserve credit, only that, even for all the stuff he did do right, he's not necessarily a genius. He's just a guy, and not a guy with a particularly varied knowledge of subjects like politics, philosophy, or even storytelling, so there are going to be places where his judgment about the Force, galactic politics, morality, or simply plotting the story come off as workmanlike or unintelligent. The problem with Star Wars, honestly, and why the franchise has been stagnant for years, is that the vision of its universe outstripped Lucas's capabilities as a thinker, so it had to quickly snap back according to the demands of its thoroughly simple creator.
Honestly, the great thing about the Disney buyout is that every last detail doesn't need to be doublechecked with Lucas anymore. So we won't have Kim Jong-un-esque incidents of him throwing a temper tantrum when he's told that Darth Talon and Darth Maul can't be friends because they lived nearly two hundred years apart. They won't have planet names changed just because viewers are dumb, or have morally ambiguous characters be wholly good or evil in retcons, or suggest names like "Darth Icki."
edited 30th Mar '16 10:08:33 AM by CrimsonZephyr
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Both of which have shown up as Force Sensitives in the EU IIRC.
I'm not sure that Darth Krayt counts as a Tusken Raider. Or is that not whom you're talking about?
I know the species of one of the Podrace guys was declared "not smart enough to be Jedi," though I doubt that came from Lucas because I don't see him caring that much about bit characters.
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They said that about the Ewoks too.
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Does anyone even know where the "Darth Icki" thing came from? I've heard it tossed around before, but I've never seen any sources or anything, and it almost (but only almost) sounds like one of those things angry fans make up just to make Lucas even less credible- I think someone here tried to push at one point that the reason the old EU got nixed was because Lucas wanted to make Darth Talon into Anakin's girlfriend, was told she lived in a different era, and threw a tantrum or something.
but HOW?
Darth Maul's girlfriend. I have actually seen a source on this. Apparently somebody or other wanted to develop a video game with Maul as the protagonist, and they gave the pitch to Lucas in a room with statues of Maul and Talon on the table. Lucas, apparently unaware of Talon's existence before then, insisted she be Maul's love interest and said he wanted the game to be a Bogart-Bacall style romantic buddy comedy for some reason.
edited 30th Mar '16 7:25:25 PM by HamburgerTime
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Still doesn't make a lick of sense, unless everything I heard about the old EU getting cut by Disney after the franchise changed hands is wrong.
but HOW?
There was a hang time of a year or so between the buyout and the reboot; I think this was during this time.
Most likely.
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...you guys are actually going along with this shit? Really? :/
but HOW?
There seems to be evidence Lucas has become a bit... unhinged after selling off his company. He said shortly after the film came out that he regretted doing it, had been left completely out of the loop in creative control, and most controversially compared the buyout to "white slavery," whatever that is.
Keep in mind the sale was his idea and he made four billion dollars off it.
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Now, that I can actually believe.
Doesn't explain how he somehow had the power to declare the entirety of the old EU non-canon after losing creative control post-buyout, though.
but HOW?
It does make Han look dumb for letting the other guy shoot first from such a short distance. And again it's such a pointless change built on faulty logic. How Lucas misreads his own characters is beyond me (I'm looking at you to PT Anakin).