How many holes does starw ars have?

http://heavyarmor.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/movies-that-hate-you-star-wars-a-new-hope/ http://heavyarmor.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/movies-that-hate-you-star-wars-return-of-the-jedi/ http://heavyarmor.wordpress.com/2010/05/16/movies-that-hate-you-star-wars-the-empire-strikes-back/ I was wondering how accurate the charges of illogic were or if the author were full of shit.

I want evidence that this is a bad thing, as the tone implies.

Also, the whole Darth Vader redemption argument is based on the prequels, which were not out at the time. While this works against the series as a whole, I think it's dishonest to punish a movie for the sins of the prequels.

Edit: Upon further inspection, the author of these articles is a total piece of fuck, attributing what might legitimately be considered wider social issues to Star Wars individually, as if a American 70s sci-fi should live up to standards of equivalence that most modern films fail to. While some logic errors and plot holes are legitimate, this seems like a case of pet hate more than anything.

This would all make sense if the author was a black, female feminist of the man-hating, white-begrudging type. If the author's a white male, this takes self-loathing and inherited guilt to hilarious levels. You can mix and match those descriptors for whatever the author happens to actually be.

edited 4th Dec '11 11:05:27 PM by MadassAlex

Holes? Well, there's the Sarlacc pit, for one, and...

Wait, never mind.

Umm... well, yeah... Sure. Star Wars is racist, sexist, and more concerned with evoking and pacing emotions in the audience than in the movie characters. Nothing new under the death star, there.

One point I did find interesting in that article, though, because I'd never seen it that way before, is that the Force is actually ridiculous compare to the technological powers that its adherents regularly shun. It reflects a lot of attitudes towards mysticism and religion found in Real Life.

P.S.: Note to the original author (I think I'll actually put this comment on his blog): Never, ever, EVER start a rant about a well-known movie with a three-pages-long plot synopsis. Not if it's as well known as Star Wars, at least. Everybody knows the story, those who don't can easily look it up. If you feel you HAVE to give a synopsis, at least, please, keep it short and entertaining. This one was extremely dull and tedious, and made me not want to read any further.

Two things that stood out was the idea that Vader had neglected to tell Ozzel what the plan was and that Leia should have realized what tarkin wanted to do. She also said lando was the only smart one.

My copies have one hole in the middle of each disk.

There are 2 incomplete holes in the middle of each tape,usually they are white.

The script has three holes in every sheet, I believe.

There's the ventilation shaft in the first Death Star that Luke shot a proton torpedo down, there's that cave on Dagoba, there's the cave on the asteroid where the Millenium Falcon almost got eaten by a space worm, there's the huge shafts on the second Death Star leading right to its reactor core...

Do all those seemingly-bottomless pits (like the one the Emperor got tossed down) count as holes?

If I have a block shaped like the words 'star wars', I think, depending on the font, there are 2 holes.

If the Rs are uppercase then 4.

edited 7th Dec '11 2:08:43 PM by ElderAtropos

is anybody going to actually address the arguments made?

No, because the author is just nitpicking.

If you're going to overanalyze Star Wars, at least pick something like Episode III, where Obi-Wan claims "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" despite the fact being a Jedi who is predisposed to fight anyone who deals in absolutes is, in itself, an absolute.

edited 8th Dec '11 2:51:46 AM by Dragonzordasaurus

Or it's an off-the-cuff expression of disgust and disappointment with Anakin, not meant to be any kind of nuanced philosophical statement. That's how I always interpreted it.

I just love how the phrase is "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Guess Obi-Wan is a Sith, then. Then again, "Usually only a Sith deals in absolutes" doesn't quite have the same ring.

Precisely why I'm overanalyzing it.

"Only the Sith deal in absolutes" I always interpreted that to mean the Sith cannot be reasoned with so Anakin will try to kill him and Obi-Wan's just checking that.

Where as the Jedi can be reasoned with usually.

I don't know where all this other crap is coming from.

But wait... if you put all the sheets together so that all the holes line up, do they in turn become three holes, or are they many wholes that create three new holes when they line up?

Mind blown.

Sure, it would've sounded better if he said "Only a Sith deals in such absolutes", but it's not as hypocritical as people make it out to be.

None of those articles pointed out plot holes, they attacked the plot for being inherently bad and stomach churning, not for its inconsistencies. While Star Wars did not give me the same "this movie hates me" feeling it is far from perfect. I've posted my thought on other threads.

Most of the stuff this guy says is right, it's just that.....who really cares? Which is why it's called "over-analysis".

What's starw ars?

If you want to know what what's wrong about star wars from an actual plot/filming/writing standpoint, watch Mr. Plinkett's reviews on the new trilogy (some people don't think the actual style of these videos is funny, but the critique is very good and so depressingly true).

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/

The amount of snark in this thread is reaching a critical mass.

But seriously, these reviews bring up some intriguing theories, but the majority of it is overly-analytic. I know that sounds really insipid, especially on a site such as this, but it's hard to think anyone would take these claims to heart so much so as to distort their view of the films. Also, they don't really point out any plot holes, they just kind of attack the films.

edited 21st Dec '11 8:06:58 PM by HerrKman

I have to wonder how Star Wars can be racist, when the good guys are the side with all the aliens, as well as the only human minority character ( after Lando joined the rebellion, and he only helped the Empire because he *didn;t have a choice* ), while the bad guys are largely white guys with British accents and Nazi-esque uniforms who oppress all non-humans.