Why us Capitalist should hate the rich more than anything.

Wow. Best Of and his Wall of Text strikes again

@OP: Government bailouts =/= communism. But I agree in a True Capitalist society government wouldn't give bailouts.

Economic freedom =/= Political freedom. Two different spectrums.

edited 20th Nov '11 7:53:11 AM by Qeise

Laws are made to be broken. You're next, thermodynamics.

Well, I hope there's some substance there.

Part of the reason that my posts inflate so is that I aim for clarity, so I take it upon myself to explain whatever terms I bring into the discussion if it seems likely that a significant minority - or indeed a majority - of the participants and other potential readers wouldn't know sufficiently well to get my point.

I also try to discover some of the more obvious mistakes and misunderstandings that could emerge from lack of clarity in my post or a hasty reading of it, so I include responses to the most common counter-proposals, as well as clauses that cause complexity in my language but also remove some obstacles and block some roads that lead to a dead end.

If you read it, I hope it made sense and wasn't excessively stuffed with unnecessary digressions.

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It's not about hating the rich.

It's about taking down a certain type of rich who got to their position through ruse and lies, instead of earning honestly their fortune through genuine hard work.

That is to say: usurers. And I won't say any further since this is not the place to discuss actually sensitive subjects without somebody pulling The Complainer Is Always Wrong card.

edited 21st Nov '11 12:25:56 AM by Alrune

I am entirely in favour of this position.

In addition, I hold it as a matter of principle that the primary attribute of hatred is destructiveness, and that hatred is an emotional investment that generally doesn't yield the kind of results that we would like to see; namely, constructive ones.

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Whenever I see people claiming we should somehow destroy the rich, I wonder if we learned anything at all from The French Revolution. You can't change an economic system just by decapitating it.

Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe.

One of the major faults of any revolution is the number of murders (which ideally would be 0.) People sometimes accuse revolutions of killing the wrong people, which to me looks as if they're missing a very obvious point.

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Alrune needs to chime in more.

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@USAF: Thank you, I appreciate this.

Well, you could say that the problem with Capitalism is that those who make it to the top in a capitalist society tends to be those who are most intent into crippling capitalism in itself.

I call it: The Paradox of Capitalism.

Hell, you could say that about almost any system. The idealists who are intent on keeping things the way they should be are almost always replaced by pragmatists who are intent on getting as much as they can out of the system.

And so the moral of the story is: strongly constitutional and aggressively pro-political freedom mixed-market social democracy, bitches.

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In other words, you want the Nordic Model.

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If it works, it works.

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From what I've heard, the German model is working pretty well, too.

Nordic Model? I myself prefer models more closely associated with Mainland Europe, like France or Germany. Poland's healthcare is also quite good, if Wikipedia is accurate. Maybe it's just my preference to lower taxation, though, since taxation tends to cause some economic drag. Hong Kong is awesome, capable of funding universal healthcare with insanely low taxes. Just copy Hong Kong's system. It's not like they can sue the US for copyright infringement.

We'll get back to you on that when we figure out a way to yank some industrial output back from Asia. >_<

The poor people in Hong Kong live in animal cages, their minimum wage—that they just got last year—is absurdly low, and thus that low unemployment rate is meaningless because the wages are shit, and general wealth disparity sucks.

I grant you, it isn't [[{{Bioshock crashing and burning]], but it's still predictably Randian given its starting points.

@Alrune,

edited 21st Nov '11 5:09:53 AM by USAF721

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