X-Men In General

That's also sad.

I guess Xavier would know his flaws better than anyone, despite the fact that he always falls prey to them.

The same for Logan. Dude's a ball of self hatred.

Speaking of Logan, this is well timed, because Scans Daily has more stuff of the X-Men's adventures from the Phoenix Saga, namely when most of the team was in Japan.

I really like this scene. Logan has been slowly softening during this time, and the arc after this where the team clashes with Alpha Flight will show even more of that, culminating in that scene with Colossus that I mentioned.

The poor guy has been so buried in over-exposure and the belief (both in universe and out) that he only exists to stab everything stabbable that it's great to see his better moments.

As is all too often the case, Logan's overexposure led to people forgetting WHY he was popular to begin with, namely that he was not only cool, but a very complex and well-written character.

Magneto has a similar issue with Quicksilver. Quicksilver is a lot like Magneto. He even looks a lot like him.

And that is why Magneto doesn’t get along with him.

He better slug it out with Xorn and get it out of his system.

When you think about it, a lot of X-Men don’t like themselves. Self-loathing is one of the most common traits among them.

That said, they don’t all have that problem. Storm for example is usually pretty confident and self assured as an adult.

If anything, Ororo has the opposite problem. Spending most of her youth being treated as a literal demigod and her powers in general have led to her being downright arrogant at times. For as nice as she usually is, there is a very nasty god complex if dig a little past her surface.

Don't forget she also grew up as a street urchin who was a victim of the Shadow King. Her childhood has been one of extremes.

Edit:

That scanned bit earlier even showed us Ororo as a kid.

Come to think of it, Shadow King was not the first other mutant Xavier ever met. Ororo was.

So the first other mutant he ever met was a poor kid reduced to pickpocketing to survive.

Edited by M84 on Apr 30th 2024 at 9:28:37 PM

Reminded of that poll of the worst actions an X-Men has done, Storm's worst flaw is that she's flakey.

She takes too many responsibilities and roles of leadership and winds up not fulfilling them leading her to abandon the Morlocks and currently shirk her responsibilities on the Quiet Council so she can play queen on Mars.

If anyone is interested, the entirety of X-Men 2099 and its VERY obscure spin-off X-Nation are now on Marvel Unlimited, and a big fat omnibus came out too.

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 1st 2024 at 12:23:22 PM

I'm def picking that up.

So incredible theory about Mr Sinister, it has to be read cause its insane

That's... actually a really brilliant connection. It also shows how hilarious and absurd the Madelyne retcon was to begin with that the only way for it to make sense is a bunch of Sinisters pretending to be Madelyne's family and attending a wedding.

Invincible Iron Man #18 is now out

Rhodey escapes prison via his miniaturized classic War Machine suit and he brought Sandman and Living Laser along for the ride. Magneto powers the Sentinel Buster while Tony wreck more Sentinel factories until Nimrod shows up and gets killed by both of them though they did note the mysterium spears that Magneto used to stab Nimrod reacted violently on their own and turned into stabbing tendrils when coming into contact w/ Nimrod.

X-Men #34:

MODOK revealed that he put a backdoor virus in all of Orchis' mooks turning them into murderous (more than usual) Chaos Spawn (for lack of better term) and he activated it so they can run amok for his pleasure. Emma fills the rest of the team in on Xavier's betrayal while Kate rescues Caliban so she can help him kill Xavier but he refuses and Kate confesses to Logan that she's dealing w/ grief both at Xavier falling so low and for her falling into vengeance as Shadowkat as she tells Logan after all that's happened she quit. She gives her sword to Wolverine as he tells her to stand down and let him be the one to kill Charles. Back in NY, the X-Men corner MODOK in his getaway tugboat and destroy him. Then Laura and Synch have a heart to heart over Synch losing Talon twice and how he's now in the acceptance part of grief.

Duggan having Kitty talk about grieving how she became super-violent is such a blatant tacked-on attempt at calming the complaints he was getting for writing her acting like a deranged Blood Knight. It'd be more believable if Duggan hadn't been portraying the mass slaughter of Orchis as laudable up until this point. As is, it's just kinda pathetic.

I will acknowledge that I do kinda like Logan being the one to put down Charles or maybe talk him down if they're doing either of those. It would provide a good conclusion to the "this is what you do" motif with him that got started way back in Planet X, explored in Uncanny X-Force, brought back by Hickman, and recently reaffirmed by Gillen in his book.

Much like wasting an entire issue on Doom's Mutant guard then forgetting them until they needed them for a single fight scene that could have used anyone else that had more development like Maddie's Dark X-Men or even Magik's team from Realm of X (the whole thing felt like needing to find space to shoehorn Doom in and shill for him. again.), Kate's epiphany here, the talk between Synch and Laura regarding Talon as well as as MODOK's fight scene felt more like tying up loose ends that have been buried in the shuffle. Not to mention her quitting the team afterwards is already ruined by From the Ashes' previews.

A common complaint about Duggan's recent work I've seen is actually that it feels like he's just "ticking off the boxes," especially noted with Gregor, Devo, and Wrongslide coming Back for the Dead.

Nearly everything in Fall of X has just been nonstop labored "putting the toys back in the box" for From The Ashes. It blows.

Duggan is pretty much an incompetent of the highest order.

Now there is some editorial interference here, but Duggan has such an awful handling and voice for the characters he's not even handling this in the best way he can.

He's just botching it horribly.

eh ive been enjoying it more than the dominion stuff I just do not care about these ai overlords who we have seen doing nothing. we have been told they are evil and bad but unless I just do not care about that side. so while doing a roaring rampage of revenge for less people than sabertooth killed during the rampage in his story arc, and all the people orchis killed came back anyway, is dumb, I still care more than whatever stuff is going on in the white hot room and evilist sinister

Yeah, a major problem with Fall of X and the wider Dominion stuff in general is that, like, none of it comes off like a big deal. None of the Dominions were doing anything bad, even Enigma himself doesn't really seem interested in actually doing anything beyond ensuring his own life and eating other Dominions, so it's not clear what the big deal is there. Orchis has turned into a bunch of incompetents; their "master stroke" was basically just teleporting all the mutants somewhere else that they could probably easily come back from and the few mutants they killed were near-immediately revived, followed by getting slaughtered in a laughably one-sided ass-kicking. None of this feels like a good justification for dragging us back to the stone age of "mutants near-extinct". It's not like the world was burned down and these were the biggest threats ever. It's just Orchis being reduced to a bunch of Friends of Humanity-lite losers and getting killed for it plus the Dominions floating around ambivalently.

Edited by immortaleditor on May 1st 2024 at 6:43:46 AM

I feel like there are probably going to be some interesting behind-the-scenes stories coming out of the Krakoan Age.

• We know it was lengthened beyond what Hickman intended, and now many readers feel like it's been shortened again, though I'm not sure if there's any evidence beyond things just "feeling rushed."
• The editor switch from White to Brevoort seems to have been very last-minute, as White announced New X-Men, the next line-wide branding after Fall/Rise, at a con, only to get the boot just a few days later.
• Simone has said on her Twitter that the shift was not due to synergy with adaptations, and she doesn't seem the type to lie about something like that.

The Dominions not originally being a threat only emphasizes the senselessness of the conflict between humans, mutants, and artificial intelligence. They never had to be enemies at all.

Nostalgia?

Edited by kkhohoho on May 1st 2024 at 9:23:21 AM

I don't see any issue with the idea that Krakoa wasn't intended to be nearly as long as it was but it did and many fans wanted it to be the new status quo.

I think it might have better if, instead of the X-Men just indiscriminately slaughtering everyone in Orchis, the events at the Hellfire Gala caused a schism within the organization, with those who were only concerned about humanity's safety being shocked and disgusted at the attack. Then, over the next few months, the portion of Orchis that doesn't like genocide either leaves or splits off in opposition, leaving the genocidal portion weakened when the X-Men launch their counter-attack. Would've made for a more compelling story, I think.