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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#26: Nov 14th 2011 at 11:59:00 AM

Because a copy wasn't bought(by the second person) in either case...

Except when I lend out my game, I no longer have it; in the case of pirating many people are playing a game they didn't pay for, as opposed to just one.


Don't care, still gonna play Mass Effect 3.

edited 14th Nov '11 12:21:48 PM by NULLcHiLD27

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#27: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:03:48 PM

when I lend out my copy, I no longer have it
Tadaa, you missed the entire point of information and its main difference from anything material: it can be copied, you know.

See the would "copy"? It's right in there.

We want to sell you informationm, but we don't want it to be anything like information, because we are too stubborn to be able to sell information.

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#28: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:10:38 PM

Yes. But only for the vanilla version. You cannot update the game. You cannot get DLC.

That applies to Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2 then? So if I were to hypothetically go over to EA's forum right now and tell them to die in fire, I could be locked out of both games and the only way I'd be able to use the discs is if I were to uninstall the game, reinstall, and never be able to use any DLC I'd previously paid for?

edited 14th Nov '11 12:11:14 PM by OmegaKross

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#29: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:14:16 PM

^ Pretty much. Just a while ago I had lost internet to my xbox, and couldn't access anything but the vanilla content in ME 2. Once I got it back, all was good.

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#30: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:15:25 PM

I've always thought EA's EULA is "Fuck you and everything you stand for" in fine print on seventeen pages.

But this isn't just EA that has a EULA. Every company has a EULA that amounts to the same thing...

But even if a EULA says "lawlz, we can does what we wants. Suck it." The company still has to allow for someone to reject the product (on the basis of disagreeing with the EULA) and return the money the person paid because said person never actually used the product.

That practice(done by every company with a EULA), is what is maintaining the "validity" of the EULA to begin with...

That applies to Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2 then? So if I were to hypothetically go over to EA's forum right now and tell them to die in fire, I could be locked out of both games and the only way I'd be able to use the discs is if I were to uninstall the game, reinstall, and never be able to use any DLC I'd previously paid for?

Assuming you're not playing on the PC... Yes.

If you're playing on the PC, all bets are off in that regards. But the good news is, as above, you still can return the product to EA and demand a refund(based on disagreement with the EULA).

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#31: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:17:43 PM

Fortunately the PS 3 version of ME 2 comes with the DLC on the disc so I wouldn't have to worry about that. I never downloaded any extra content either.

Okay, I'm going to load up Origins a sec while disconnected and see if I can still access the DLC packs I have installed.

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#32: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:18:34 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]So you're entire argument is based around a word I used[lol] Fine, I'll change it to "game" if that makes you happy.

edited 14th Nov '11 12:21:36 PM by NULLcHiLD27

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#33: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:22:15 PM

Except when I lend out my copy, I no longer have it; in the case of pirating many people are playing a game they didn't pay for, as opposed to just one.

With console games, correct... With PC games, less so(as in ~95% wrong). As most pirating occurs with regards to the PC market, it is no different from allowing someone to "borrow" a copy. Mostly because you can usually still play your game without the installation disc...

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#34: Nov 14th 2011 at 12:26:42 PM

Hey, guys. If this turns into Piracy Debate #3427 there's really no point in having the thread. The title doesn't help, either. Also, there's the "link, discuss" problem. So I'm locking it.

If you want to discuss a specific topic, please title the thread in a way that makes it clear what the conversation is about, and start the thread with something more detailed than a link to a news article. Thanks.

FYI: "<Insert Video Game Company> sux, so I'ma pirate dere gamez" is never a good idea for a thread topic and any such will be locked/deleted on sight. I'm adding that to the rules, in fact.

edited 14th Nov '11 12:38:24 PM by Fighteer

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