Obama administration goes back on its words about medical marijuana.

Savage, the problem with that plan is even if you don't mention the federal employees it's very clearly only them that are affected. As such, it would be fairly easy to expose as discriminatory and unpassable in the legislature. Also, postal workers are federal employees. Your plan fucks over people who wouldn't even be doing anything about the weed.

If you want to suggest solutions, maybe you should start suggesting things that are both legal and actually enactable in real life. Because every suggestion I've seen you make would very quickly create a hellhole if no one was around to stop it. (And end up with a tyranny composed of those thugs who owned the weapons. Which apparently includes you specifically not getting shot somehow for infringing on someone's rights.)

The states can't just decide they don't like what the feds are doing. Just ask the South.

Savage, you would harm tons and tons of honest folk in California with that bill.

What about interstate truckers who live in California but are paid by a business based outside of it? What about people who work internationally, or conduct their business via the internet?

With Globalization becoming the way it is, you would chase tons of business out of California, and we would also lose tons of our federal grants that we receive. Think Cali is broke now? Just wait until 60 percent of our income(interstate commerce and federal money) is gone. The state would wither and die along with all of its infrastructure and safety nets.

And no, Marijuana sales and tourism as a result couldn't recoup that much money lost.

Stop trying to crap up my state and turn it into a libertarian wasteland, go do that in some shitty state, like Oklahoma or Wisconsin.

And fuck you too, Barkey. Wishing that on my State, will you?

Go do it to Alabama or Arizona or something; States that do stupid shit to try and attack illegal immigrants while institutionalizing racism in the process.

Nobody fucks with my neighbor States and blindly strawmans them as racists.

Oh, you silly Colorado people and... and... well, you're in the West and you're not Oregon, Washington, Nevada, or California, so nobody cares about you!

It's better than Wisconson...

This guy was our Governor.

Your argument is invalid.

Seriously, look at that hair! LOOK AT IT'S AWESOMENESS AND DESPAIR!

Anyhow, yeah, I don't see California getting far in opposing this. I imagine Obama might be doing it to garner social conservative votes, and may drop it if and when he gets reelected...

@Barkey: didn't you say you were in the army? If you love freedom enough to take arms, then surely you can see how tough drug laws undermine our civil liberties.

edited 10th Nov '11 12:22:38 AM by joeyjojo

Wow, SH, you're like a caricature of yourself in this thread. You're doing yourself (and all causes you support) more harm than good by saying what amounts to "California should secede".

I didn't take up arms because I have any penchant for freedom, I did it because I enjoy the profession of arms.

That and I hate druggies. I know there are functional stoners out there, but where I live (So Cal) they are vastly outnumbered by losers. Just idiot stoners who take up space and don't want to do anything meaningful with their lives. I like to watch them bitch and moan about drug issues, I get off on stoner suffering.

edited 10th Nov '11 1:52:16 AM by Barkey

My bad.

@Barkey: Innocent people wouldn't get hurt, if you proceed to let the exceptions swallow the rule: You exempt everyone except Federal government workers, without even once mentioning them. It could even exempt Federal government workers who are not in law enforcement (by exempting every other sector and omitting Fed pigs from the exempt list).

The desired result is to plunge all Federal law enforcers occupying California into wretched poverty, essentially pricing them outta the State, without harassing anyone else in the process.

It's not necessarily unconstitutional: You can levy a tax and then exempt people from it.

edited 10th Nov '11 2:50:52 AM by SavageHeathen

Quit using the word pig please, we're not fucking animals.

I'm confused about Medical Marijuana being "legal" in California if Federal law overrules it. Do they tax dispensaries? Does that not get them in trouble?

I think the decision that the federal government can use the constitution's Commerce Clause to regulate a state's internal commerce is a very dubious one, and it's this decision that the federal government's primacy in this kind of thing rests upon (after all, the constitution only gives the federal government the power to regulate interstate commerce, with plenty of contemporary evidence that the framers explicitly did not want the federal government to regulate commerce within a state).

However, for good or ill, this is one of the breaches of the explicit word of the US constitution that has become so entrenched that the supreme court is unlikely to ever change its mind on it.

I'm also wryly amused that conservatives, who are normally all over "states' rights", are so supportive of the federal government's overriding the will of a state's voters in cases like this.

edited 10th Nov '11 6:21:09 AM by Morven

That's, supposedly, how the DEA knows where to go... The dispensaries pay taxes(State and Federal). Because if they don't, they'd have the IRS knocking at their door. And the IRS doesn't play around when they threaten to shut you down, like the DEA does...

edited 10th Nov '11 6:21:13 AM by Swish

The IRS's position is, in fact, that income even from criminal enterprise is taxable. And they care way more about you paying your taxes than if you break the law to make their money.

I can respect that sort of honesty. :P

Morven, stuff like that is why I think anyone claiming state's rights is kind of blowing smoke out their ass. They'll call state's rights when it's convenient for them, then federal power when it's convenient for them. I suppose it's religiously consistent, but it's political flip flopping.

I'd like to know how the IRS plans to get all the numbers on illegal earnings, though. Have they ever successfully taxed something like that?

Savage: so what, it's okay to plunge a federal cop and his family into poverty because the govt won't let you smoke weed?

Honestly, I don't see how attacking cops like that will win support. I know I wouldn't support stoners if they wanted to send cops and their families into poverty.

^don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

Bear in mind, Savage Heathen views wearing a cop uniform the same way most people view wearing the uniform of an enemy nation; by putting it on, you've made yourself fair game.

edited 11th Nov '11 4:23:28 AM by RavenWilder

Regardless I feel sorry for all the people in chronic pain who are going to suffer because of this.

edited 13th Nov '11 3:06:49 AM by joeyjojo

Well, it's not like they can't get weed in other ways, it just probably won't be as good.

Also, "chronic" pain?