Rename so Blue hair is not a big deal: You Gotta Have Blue Hair

Eh, listen to Nocturna then.

Basically, when you have questions about page format, you should generally just go to the wiki and copy what you see there.

Ok, thanks for your help. Did it as told, also changed the page type of both pages to work's example page.

There are no heroes left in Man.

Okay, does that look good to everyone? Are we done here?

We typically split off all the examples to subpages. Finish the job.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Nocturna's right: Media namespaces are for works, so unless there's an anime series called "You Gotta Have Blue Hair", formatting namespaces like that would be inconsistent with other articles.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

I kinda hate to stir things up just as it seems we were coming to a conclusion, but as I was moving the examples to subpages, I realized that we probably do need to clear the definition up. And the examples need cleaning.

The big questions:

1. Do cases of in-universe dye jobs count?
2. Do cases where the character in question is not human, and where their hair color is not unusual for the fantasy race they are part of, count?
3. Do fantasy races with non-human hair colors count?

I'm inclined to say no to all of them, but there's definitely a bunch of examples that fall into each category.

Also, does the real life example count? It is a very unusual example, but I think this is one of those tropes where real life examples are, by definition, excluded.

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And on a technical note, does anyone have any idea why the indexing (of the subpages) isn't working?

edited 15th Nov '11 5:10:04 PM by Nocturna

Yes, they all count. They could all be split into subtropes, but they all count.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

After setting it up to do indexing, you need to edit the page it seems.

Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan

Dye doesn't count and would be a subversion, and for the second and third point I would probably say they're justified examples.

^^ Dyes are a subversion.

edited 15th Nov '11 5:21:51 PM by Arha

They all count. This is a high level supertrope. They could all be split into separate subtropes and we should probably think about doing so, but right now, they all count. There is absolutely nothing about In-Universe reasons in the current description. Therefore, they have nothing to do with your qualifications for the trope. Dye jobs aren't a subversion. They're just an example.

edited 15th Nov '11 5:36:43 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

What about the real life example?

I disagree, Shimaspawn. I think the trope isn't 'Colorful hair' but rather 'Naturally colorful hair.' As in, it is natural in universe for someone to have bright pink hair. If it's not natural and they dye it like that, that seems to be a different trope to me.

edited 15th Nov '11 5:55:27 PM by Arha

There's nothing in the trope description about that though. It may be your opinion, but there's nothing to support it and the trope has never been defined as such. Most examples don't mention one way or another if they're dyed or natural.

edited 15th Nov '11 5:59:22 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

The trope may not say it, but descriptions aren't always perfect encapsulations of the trope. So, yes, it is my opinion that the trope is that someone naturally has an impossible hair color.

But you're basing this on nothing. There's nothing that narrows the trope down that far and the examples indicate that this is a broader trope. We're lacking enough supertropes as it is without narrowing down the ones we do have. If we want to give this a bunch of subtropes I'd support that, but there's nothing on the page to support your definition.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

For sure this is the Naturally colorful hair as a requirement Dyed hair is in not this in any way, that implies them being distant from the norm like a Delinquent or Raver Girl and such.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

I don't mind giving this subtropes such as, for example, non human humanoids having blue hair, but while the page doesn't say it explicitly I have always assumed that this trope was about naturally occurring hair color. Dying your hair an impossible shade seems like a related but different trope. Not to bring up that argument from before, but I do think it's tied to the setting in that unnatural hair colors are part of the setting.

There are some works that confine Colorful hair to special people which should be a subtrope I think....

• Star Ocean The Last Hope colorful hair is confined to the really alien ones [1]
• Gundam Seed this was confined to Coordinators only till the biological CP Us and Extended show up (still those are the only ones)
• Ghost In The Shell: colorful hair is confined to just those with artificial bodies.
• Haruhi: these are confined to alien interfaces with one lone exception in Tsuruya leading to a lot of WMG about her origin.

Lets see other subtropes... Hair version of Elemental Eye Colors, Main characters only (in an attempt at making an attempt at Distinctive Appearances especially noticeable when everyone unnamed has the same hair color.)

edited 15th Nov '11 8:39:45 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

• Drowtales the characters dye their hair those strange colours but it's normal and generally unremarked on. It's just part of the world's character.

You're viewing the trope through the narrow lense of just a couple works you happen to like. There's less of a difference between dyed and natural in media than you think. A couple of anime make a big deal about dyed hair because it matters in Japan. Otherwise it's incidental if hair is dyed or natural in most works.

edited 15th Nov '11 8:43:52 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Dyed is a completely different story to natural haircolor nothing cultural specific about it this happens in Western works too.

The fact that its natural hair color is what makes it this trope... Dyed for whatever reason should be in another trope which happens in Japan too although very rarely.

• Power Rangers Time Force had Trip with his green hair (quite appropriate due to him being the Green Ranger); justified due to him being a Human Alien. On the other hand, his Mirai Sentai Timeranger counterpart Sion dyes his hair a lot, and in some occasions had blue hair.

(again they felt the need to point out Blue hair vs any of the other colors he had)

edited 15th Nov '11 8:56:55 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

There is a difference between the two, though. A world where people simply have those hair colors is different from one where they dye them that way. Judging by other responses in the thread, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion either. You're right that the trope description doesn't say it, and you're right that some examples don't take that into account. However, that just means that we should make it clear.

To counter your example, the caption of the page image - Blue, purple, green, no hair dye required - clearly implies that the trope is supposed to be about natural hair colors. A glance through the subpages indicates that a Gundam example is considered a subversion due to dye. So do Keroro Gunsou and several other examples. A literature example indicates that pink hair would be unnatural for humans, but not so for faeries. Similar things happen on the video games page.

Now, I only checked three of the subpages, but this clearly indicates that numerous tropers believe that this trope is about naturally occurring impossible hair colors.

The page image to me just looks like they found as many people with unnatural hair colours and shoved them into an image. I have no way of knowing if those are dyed or natural without knowing the work.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

In works its implied natural unless otherwise noted. (when it is noted then that becomes another trope.)

edited 15th Nov '11 9:29:19 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Exactly. Unless stated otherwise, it's natural.

That's only an anime convention. In other media it's generally assumed to be dyed, and it's generally not treated all that differently one way or another. In most Western media if it's not dye they'll point it out. And honestly, people will label anything a subversion. It doesn't mean they don't think it's part of the trope. They just think subversions are 20% cooler.

edited 15th Nov '11 10:37:23 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick