Potential split?: Ascend To A Higher Plane Of Existence

This trope is confusingly used; on the one hand it's really specifically identified as being Put on a Bus, but it's also really the only trope about someone becoming a god and is used as that more and more frequently. I can't really think of any other trope that really would cover that; Abstract Apotheosis is rather specific, and Deity of Human Origin is also confusingly written and poorly defined. So it seems to me that the definition of the trope should be about specifically just ascending, and maybe the Put on a Bus variety can be a subsection or a separate trope entirely; maybe something like Put On A Glowing Celestial Bus (from the current page's image caption). Or we could redefine an existing trope, like Deity of Human Origin, to be about ascension.

edited 3rd Nov '11 5:50:46 PM by Katana

The description was recently pruned to take away the Put on a Bus implications, since absolutely no one was using it that way. Take a look now.

Put on a Bus wasn't removed, merely de-emphasized. As a matter of fact, the fourth sentence is "A way to put the character on a bus, though that's not all that it's used for."

I'm the one who did that recent pruning and wanted to really see what other people thought before making a super drastic change like splitting the trope. Before it was even more confusingly worded and now it's sort of vague still; either way the page still should address the Put on a Bus aspect considering that's what it launched for in the first place. Plus making a major alteration like that requires some deliberation because this trope is a fairly widely used one

edited 3rd Nov '11 7:22:45 PM by Katana

I don't think there is any need for a split. There is nothing inherently different from when it's used to put someone on a bus from any other time.

Agreed.

...no? Eddie did that. You can still see it on the history page.

Agree with 5. One of the points I try to make is that there's some tropes that don't work the same as other tropes, in this case, a "narrative goal" and a "narrative event". Put on a Bus is a thing the writers are trying to do to a character. How it's done is just a way of using said trope. Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence is the event.

Didn't look back far enough hurp; I reworded the intro paragraph a bit and thought that was what was being referred to.

I just see this trope as having a lot of vagueness around it; at any rate would subdividing the page (into the Put on a Bus variant and ascensions being used to up the ante) hurt or just be ultimately pointless?

edited 4th Nov '11 10:47:06 AM by Katana

I dislike subdividing pages like that. It's trying to build the page around intent, rather than simple use. While we could divide it up into stuff like Put on a Bus, Never Say "Die", Evolutionary Levels, etc, there's more than three ways we can divide it, and that, in my opinion, makes it a huge mess.

Fair enough then, with your explanation of action versus event I think I'm pretty okay with the page now. (P.S. your avatar is very distracting)

It's why I use it. Victory through misdirection.

Any other problems, or can we lock this?