A brighter future for a darker age.
Why, thank you!
-humble bow-
Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.I don't really get this "don't edit" thing a lot of people bring up. Each time I reread something, I become more bored with it and have a harder time paying attention to it. If I'm supposed to correct it, I'm less likely to notice any given thing I need to correct. This means that if I don't at least flag awkward or incorrect wording, and I forget that it was awkward or incorrect, I have a chance of missing it on subsequent rereading. As long as I'm flagging it so as not to miss it, why not just go ahead and edit it?
edited 30th Oct '11 12:16:13 AM by feotakahari
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something AwfulI must admit a different fascination with the bizarre "don't edit"ism.
It seems to assume one will never reach a state of satisfaction with the work. That is...somewhat bizarre.
Nous restons ici.Well, you aren't supposed to be rereading it! You're supposed to be charging ahead, not looking back except when you have to.
If you really need to, write parenthetical notes about STUFF YOU NEED TO FIX to go back and do later, but don't go back and dink with the stuff you wrote while first-drafting.
A brighter future for a darker age.@Night: it's a technique to deal with a very common way of not getting anywhere with one's writing, which is to tinker endlessly rather than making progress. There are a lot of would-be authors who never get further than endlessly rewriting and throwing out Chapter One.
If you don't suffer from this particular mode of procrastination, feel free to ignore such advice.
edited 30th Oct '11 12:26:08 AM by Morven
A brighter future for a darker age.That's...not really editing though. It's redrafting, rewriting. Editing is cleanup and touchup work.
There's a definition problem here somewhere. Possibly on my end.
Nous restons ici.Nonetheless, you get the point, right? If behavior X becomes a mode of procrastination for a writer, they should avoid that behavior.
A brighter future for a darker age.I do, but I think it's being communicated in a way that might be counterproductive.
Then again I've never really been afflicted with that problem (in my entire writing history, I've thrown out Chapter 1 exactly once) so I have no idea if we're dealing with a slippery slope problem that slides from editing to rewriting.
Nous restons ici.If we're defining our terms that way, I guess I agree, but I'd like to add something I've advised in the past: if your options are to rewrite the story from an earlier part, force it back on track via a Deus ex Machina, or let it go Off the Rails, that last is often the most entertaining and least cliched choice.
Then again, if you are throwing out a chapter, chapter 1 is the best one to throw out. I've thrown out a bad chapter 1 for stories where, if I hadn't done so, I would have had to throw out the entire story at the end.
edited 30th Oct '11 12:35:48 AM by feotakahari
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something AwfulEditing and writing use different ways of thinking. The key to making progress in writing is to find a way to drop into the 'writing' way of thinking and stay there. Switching over to 'editing' thinking takes you out of 'writing' thinking.
If you can make that switch at will, in both directions, then it's not a problem.
edited 30th Oct '11 12:34:14 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.I always edit as I write, and occasionally while rereading what I write to get me back into the frame of mind to continue that bit of writing. Never had a problem with it.
One thing I note: I had some past writing experience, but never could just stick with it, until I started writing a fanfic at the beginning of this summer. Having reader feedback and people who expect you to post something is very good for your will to continue.
Shinigan (Naruto fanfic)Especially since too many writers are extremely over-critical and self-hating about their own work and are thus prone to a negative feedback loop about what they just wrote.
edited 30th Oct '11 12:37:22 AM by Morven
A brighter future for a darker age.My first impressions:
I agree that the "don't edit" message is poorly worded, and would make far more sense as "don't rewrite".
I strongly disagree with the "Do NaNoWriMo!" message. It can be helpful, but it is definitely not for everyone and thus isn't as essential as you suggest.
Finally,
This is virtually the Holy Words of Writing to me. Honestly, if you have to seriously alter the events of your work to keep "the story" on track, I'd advise you to think very carefully about the quality of that story.
@nrjxll: No, I think "don't edit" should stay in there. "Don't rewrite" should also be in there, but many writers will divert into procrastination using editing as a gateway drug. And, of course, any such guide has to acknowledge there will be exceptions, and "don't edit" isn't an absolute hard-and-fast but more of a hint; it's not saying "don't fix a spelling mistake", it's saying "don't fuss about what you've written, keep writing." When you're in first-draft writing mode, you should not do anything that will interrupt the flow or sidetrack you into Not Writing again.
While Na No Wri Mo doesn't work for everyone, I think anyone who has trouble getting anywhere with their writing should give it, or a similar exercise, a try. It won't necessarily work for you, but I'd say most of the people it won't work for know that that's not their problem.
A brighter future for a darker age.A lot of people say "Don't Edit," but honestly I almost always go back and rewrite my opening after I'm a little more familiar with the characters and have the story a bit more fleshed out. But then, I only do this once, and will move on with the story afterwards until it is time for the big edit.
I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect.Which is fine — it's not diverting you into a state of Not Writing. In a sense, you could think of it as your leaving a placeholder opening scene and then going and writing a new one — you continue Writing.
A brighter future for a darker age.I can't write short stories. —sigh—
It's because I write what I would want to read, which happens to be long stories.
Maybe that's why I suck at pacing.
Read my stories!I am going to argue that editing and rewriting are not un-or counter productive. They are key parts of the process.
If you choose to set aside a Tuesday to look over the things you wrote on Sunday and Monday, you are still getting work done, even if the word count isn't adding up.
edited 30th Oct '11 7:31:10 AM by BetsyandtheFiveAvengers
Exactly. The main reason why a lot of people don't make a habit of actually writing is because they are not comfortable with their own writing. I'm not saying you shouldn't be critical or want to edit it, I'm just saying you should be comfortable with it enough to charge on and keep going until you reach the end. Constantly editing as you write does not up your word count any faster, and it does not make you comfortable with your first draft writing.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't edit at all, just save it for when you're finished putting out the first draft so that it doesn't get in the way.
And Madrugada is right, editing and writing are two different "modes". If you're doing one, you are not doing the other. Unless you are already capable of switching between editing and writing with no issues, you should be doing writing only now, and then editing later.
The most important thing is that you make writing, that is, upping your word count, separate from editing, if you cannot handle doing both at the same time.
Setting aside time to edit, and time to write is another perfectly good approach! I like what you're doing. If it gets your word count up and finishes drafts, keep doing what you're doing.
edited 30th Oct '11 8:28:57 AM by annebeeche
Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.Long story short, don't take it personally.
Even if someone says something completely unproductive like "Your writing is a festering pile of crap and I can't believe anyone had the audacity to bring this abomination to life" don't take it personally. If you cannot do that, you have personal problems besides Not Writing and I'm afraid there's not much I can do to help you in that department besides give you some person-to-person advice and encouragement.
Besides, at the point in the game where you have not made writing regularly a habit, you should not be worrying about what other people think about your writing. That is worrying about quality. It's not going to help you feel more comfortable, and it will distract you from doing the most important thing to do, which is to write.
It's because I write what I would want to read, which happens to be long stories.
Then write short long stories? :Þ
If you feel that you can only be comfortable writing long stories, so be it, but just be aware that 50,000 words is a far more daunting task than 10,000 words.
edited 30th Oct '11 8:37:52 AM by annebeeche
Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.It's because I write what I would want to read, which happens to be long stories.
I wrote 50,000 words, I get to edit now. Fun for me.
The daunting task for me is writing 50k about ten more times.
edited 30th Oct '11 8:46:02 AM by MrAHR
Read my stories!
Some pointers for y'all who've never completed a work of fiction before and would like to change that:
This is not advice on how to write a good story. This is only advice on how to stop being such a worrywart and start actually writing something, and eventually get it finished. Quality is not of importance here. If you are already writing regularly and can trust yourself to start and finish a novel, you are already ready to start worrying about quality and this advice is probably not for you.
So today, tell yourself, "Today, I want to write 100 words." and do that. 100 words is incredibly easy, it's a baby step. As of the last fullstop, this post is already 317 words, though you'll want to put those into prose fiction rather than forum-posting. It's incredibly easy. Anybody can do it. And that's the idea.
Then the next day, tell yourself, "Yesterday, I was very successful in writing 100 words. I bet I can do that again today." and write 100 more words. Keep on doing this until you are comfortable with writing 100 words a day, and then bump it up to 200, then 500, and so on all the way up to until you are able to write 1667 words a day for 30 days, which is exactly what you need to do for Nanorimo.
But yeah, the reason why you have to refrain from editing your writing as you write is because that is a very easy way for people to start fidget around and not actually get anything done. I know I have this problem myself. Plus, you are worrying about quality at a stage when quality is not something you should concerned about—see my first pointer about accepting your bad ideas.
So just dumb your draft raw and unedited. You have a small quota of words to fill in, don't worry about how nice it sounds or how scientifically/historically plausible or internally consistent everything is, do that when the story is finished or you will never stop and move on. Besides, in the midst of all the cheese and crap you may find a few little gems that you'll be glad you never scrapped or edited in premature edit-monster mode. Which is good! If you keep doing this, your drafts in the future will gradually come to contain more gems and less cheese or crap. Someday that will happen, but that day is not this day (especially if you've scarcely finished anything before!), so don't worry about the gems/crap ratio for now.
The biggest reason why people have a hard time starting writing, keeping writing and then finishing something is because they haven't learned to just relax and be comfortable with their own writing. So stop worrying, and just write! :)
[This is apparently what 1100 words look like.]
edited 29th Oct '11 11:50:30 PM by annebeeche
Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.