Anonymous Threatens the Zinaloa Cartel.

"I am certainly not afraid of the Yakusa over here (in a city famous for being dangerous worldwide)"

Do you have information that would make the Yakuza view you as a potential threat? That one factor would make all the difference in regards to how safe you'd be, and that one factor is something that distinguishes Anonymous from the rest of us in Zetas's eyes (obviously substituting "Zetas" for "Yakuza").

edited 5th Nov '11 8:44:35 PM by theweirdwarrior

I would be afraid of Mexican gangs in continental Ameirca (except for Canada and Brazil).

The rest of the world... nah.

Like information about how Yakusa bosses exchange information about drug traficking with the DEA for organ transplants with in the US? No

edited 5th Nov '11 8:28:11 PM by Baff

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I wouldn't be afraid of them in the American South. Maybe in Texas, but if you survive the first shots there, you'll have back up very quickly. And not Alaska. Most of the North, not some of the east coast. But body armor and a hand gun does wonders for your survival.

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I think you overestimate how fast cops can get to places. If you're not in a heavily populated area, it can take them quite a while to get to you. BTW, I live in Texas. If the gangs can spread here, they can spread anywhere else in the country. (And many gangs do, actually.)

Who said anything about police? Alot of people have guns down there. If they see a bunch of mexicans shooting at one or two guys on a street, they'll know who to shoot at.

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You also overestimate how many people actually have guns. Also, the level of destruction gun violence can cause when civilians and gang members are shooting at each other.

Isn't Anonymous also, technically, an organized crime group?

They're a spontaneously semi-organized crime group.

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I think everyone here is overestimating each others abbilities.

Cartel hunting down anons requires them to first identify IP owner, then figuring said owners name, location, hiring hitman, sending him and so forth. Depending how much commitment anons put into this, this might be simple "figure out proxy" to "1 000 proxys, VPN and other stuff in the way, not to mention IP changes daily, also it was a public network" level.

Additionally, if said leak is abroad, series of murder aboard suddenly which can be linked to thme is bad.

Anons are not all mighty end boss of internet, but neither are cartels unstopable force of evil that secretly run entire world.

It all comes down to few things: how lackcluster anosn are to hide themselves and how much trouble would said cartel end up if they went killing spree.

All right, let's say you get somebody's IP. It leads back to a Telefónica router in Madrid. To get that guy's address, they need the cooperation of the ISP. That's non-trivial.

You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it.

Good luck.

They are behind 7 proxies.

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Except that multiple people can have the same IP, and if they go around murdering dozens just to get one guy, some country will get really pissed off and do everything they could to destroy them. Which would be fairly trivial for a Spec. ops. team.

edited 6th Nov '11 6:39:10 AM by Joesolo

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He said it was non-trivial, as in the opposite of trivial.

Oh. Ops.

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So yeah, there we had it. Even if Cartel had people abroad they can just call and have people nurdered, they can't jsut go randomly killing people hoping to hit those who leak intel. Even if they had hackers of their own, it takes a lot of time to pinpoint one guy if he hides himself.

That's the reason why FBI hasn't arrested half America due to Operation Payback. I think they arrested 5-6 guys.

The interesting question with organizations like Anonymous, so to speak, is how many people need to be arrested by the FBI/skinned alive by the drug cartel to deter the "rest" of the organization from continuing an operation? These are normal people, after all, with no central leadership or any real hierarchy to speak of, and they could be anywhere. On the one hand, it's practically impossible to arrest/kill them all. On the other hand, without organization, theoretically, you'd only have to deal with so many before the rest basically call it quits.

No?

"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent."

It all depends on numerous factors. You could say Anons are chaos incarnate, you never knwo what happens with them. They might back off, deciding to cut their losses... Or they might go all-out, leaving all resembles of restraint behind.

Of course, what I call "weekend Anons", AKA normal internet users who join up anon ops, might leave since they know they can't pull needed tricks to continue and don't want to threaten themselves. However, the hardcore anons, the true hackers and crackers, are the real muscle of Anons. They might speep up their ops to keep up.

Anon as a group, is near impossible to defeat. However, there is a way of fighting them: managing them to shift their focus. Have them focus on other areas, thus reducing their attacks against you untill they decide that they got better things to do.

But, like I said, you never know with Anons. One moment they might eb demanding loli material, next they are taking down CP ring and revealing their owners/visitors to cops. I remember there was this thread were anons figured out where a pair of bodies were hidden by some insane guy. I try to track it down, it was a picture of said thread so I might not find it...

You can't really collapse anonymous. They are always in a state of flux. Drop in drop out membership and the ability to pop up anywhere in the world in any variety of shapes makes them very very difficult to intimidate or get rid off.

Now as far the as Sinaloa Cartel is concerned they can reach inside the U.S. via MS13 who have done killings and other business for them in the past. But Anons are international. They are not of any one nation or group.

edited 6th Nov '11 4:29:33 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?

And, like said before, randomly killing people in hopes of getting few anons will cause trouble. First step of even starting revenge kills is to identify anons, which, like said, is damn hard. Moving from there, you need to get your men to him and then kill the target without giving yourself away yet sending message.

Though not apparently Anonymous-related, this is about cartels trying to suppress Internet information, violently.

While a horrible event, it does point out that the Internet frightens and can damage an otherwise terrifying, powerful drugs gang. I hope more people are brave enough to do this. We could do with a Wikileaks-style organisation (maybe not Wikileaks itself though, that's got too bad a reputation) that can take posts and publish them stripped of any information that could kill the source.

EDIT: More here:

Sounds like the Internet is being awesome. Keep on keeping on.

edited 12th Nov '11 3:41:08 PM by betaalpha

That is very gutsy of those people.

Who watches the watchmen?