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Nice Job Snowcloning It, Hero (Alt Title crowner 2/28/12): Painting The Medium get usage counts

 51 Cider, Mon, 20th Feb '12 8:57:17 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
Well if we are renaming this to something other than fourth wall, I don't think we should, but lets be hypothetical, it should have a simple name. Nothing too narrow or too confusing.

For The Audience But Not The Characters, the gets the spot lights, weird text, leitmotifs and all else in one go.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
"It's usually in the text itself."

Typography and font choices are part of paratext. SO IF A GOD SPEAKS IN ALL CAPS or a telepathic character communicates in italics that would be part of paratext, and would also be an example of this trope, if I'm understanding this correctly.

edited 20th Feb '12 8:59:00 PM by Catbert

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metafiction

Paratext requires some torture to be correct, but metatext is pretty straightforward. By coloring speech bubbles, etc., the author is speaking directly to the fact that they know you are looking at speech bubbles. In something like the Oot S cartoon, the metafiction is called out directly.
 
I don't think that metafiction really works for this.

Typography and font choices are not paratext if they are supplied by the author. Then they're just text.
 
Metafiction is not the same thing as metatext, and this trope isn't about either of them.

I am under the impression it is the same thing. Metatext can also mean hypertext, but hypertext has pretty much become the term for that. Metatext is just a different phrasing of metafiction, just as many postmodernists talk about texts rather than stories or specific types of media.
 
Presentation Modification?
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
[up][up] You may be right.

Either way, I agree with "Typography and font choices are not paratext if they are supplied by the author."

[up] Maybe Presentation Hints or Presentation Clues?

edited 21st Feb '12 12:02:43 AM by abk0100

I like the assonance of "modification".
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
"Presentation" is pretty ambiguous. Not very effective at carrying the meaning of the trope.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Different direction, Change Of Theme?
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
This trope has nothing to do with themes or symbols.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 65 Cider, Tue, 21st Feb '12 7:40:17 AM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
Yes it does. The text is , the spotlight is presentation and leitmotifs are themes. The only problem Presentation Modification is that it doesn't hint the divide between characters and audience. You know, like fourth wall does, yet somehow this trope has nothing to do with the fourth wall, nothing at all. I'm not convinced.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
"Theme" or "scheme", yes it does. Someone might have an "evil themed" speech bubble, or a level has a "candy land themed" interface.

[up] Not about the divide, it is about changes to "our" side of the divide to say stuff about "their" side of the divide. Speech bubbles and UI and etc aren't on the fourth wall.

edited 21st Feb '12 10:44:31 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
I actually kind of like Symbolic Interface. "Interface" is a much better way to refer to the wall between the audience and the story than "fourth wall."

Just going down the list of subtropes - Splashof Color, Unconventional Formatting, Wall of Blather, Wingding Eyes - they all seem to fit that name.

By the way, does anyone else agree that Fourth Wall Portrait shouldn't be a subtrope?

edited 21st Feb '12 1:25:25 PM by abk0100

Symbols no, symbolism yes. I also like Symbolic Interface.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
"Interface" implies interaction, and this trope almost never involves interaction. "Symbolic" implies symbolism, and this trope is not about symbolism.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
How is it not about symbolism? Black-and-red speech bubbles are symbolic of an evil deep voice, etc.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
 71 lebrel, Tue, 21st Feb '12 2:42:06 PM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
In film, "non-diegetic" covers things that are not part of the "fictional world", like narration, theme music, etc., that the characters can't perceive. So Non Diegetic Narrative Conventions or something?
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Wall of Blather (for example) a symbol.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
I wouldn't. It is symbolism, though.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Gui Text? Kind of a pun, I guess.
 
I think Troacctid is right about this not technically being about "interfaces, " since that involves interaction, so that would mean GUI is out too.

[up][up][up] I think it kind of is symbolism, but I can at least agree with the word not applying perfectly.

I think the most accurate name would be something like Presentation Hints. Secondary information is being hinted at by the way the primary information is presented. Not that exact name, I but something like that might work.

edited 21st Feb '12 3:03:55 PM by abk0100

Alternative Titles: Painting The Fourth Wall
22nd Feb '12 2:35:43 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Last Crowner established that we need to rename.

The name should indicate that the trope is "Making changes to usual medium conventions to represent things about the story" For instance, changing the appearance of a speech bubble to show that a character is evil, or a TV show changing to black-and-white to show that a flash-back is happening.

Look at the list of subtropes to get a complete idea of what the trope includes.
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