@Idler: Funny thing; the Punisher actually does that. How do you think he tracks down the responsible parties? That being said, the majority of the bad guys he kills are doing something right in front of him.
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I'm not saying that the Punisher doesn't assess people's guilt or innocence, I'm saying that he's not qualified to do so. He's not a jury.
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I guess we just ought to forget about that pesky "legal right to a zealous defence" thing, then.
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They might miss a few people who were mistaken for being rapists and then killed before they ever got their day in court, though.
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Because grief-stricken serial killers can always be trusted to take the measured approach.
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Formerly G.G.
That goes for a lot of thigns actually...
"We are just like Irregular Data. And that applies to you too, Ri CO. And as for you, Player... your job is to correct Irregular Data."
Considering the fact that he's only killed one innocent in how many decades of crime fighting? Yeah.
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One that we know of. Kind of hard to make a case for your innocence when he's already garrotted you.
edited 14th Oct '11 5:47:22 PM by Idler20
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Yes; because the writers are out to hide things from you.
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You're the one trumpeting the Punisher as an ideal in the real world, where there are no writers to conveniently make sure vigilantes only kill guilty people.
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vigilantly taxonomish
That's kind of irrelevant seeing as (whatever Phoenix Jones might think) this is not a comic book and the real world doesn't have writers.
Emulating the Punisher IRL? Probably not such a great idea.
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edited 14th Oct '11 5:52:01 PM by BobbyG
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What defines a "bad guy"?
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^^ Sure they won't.
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edited 14th Oct '11 5:54:35 PM by BobbyG
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Yeah, it's not like the police would want to track down a mass murderer or anything.
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Did this guy have even basic training?
If you're going to fight crime, whether as a police officer or vigilante, your going to need months, maybe even years of rigorous training. Period.
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Kino, what about the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing?
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Kino seems to believe that a vigilante stalking someone and deciding "he's definitely guilty!" is the same thing as proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
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@Bobby: Assuming said vigilante isn't watching a crime happen right in front of him? Gather evidence and present it to the police; hopefully they'll win in court.
If not, that's what rifles are for.
Lover of masks.
I have an idea. I will be a vigilantes who kills vigilantes who kill perceived law breakers.
Naturally I will kill myself once I am sure there are no more vigilantes who kill people.
I shall be THE PUNISHER PUNISHER.
Please.
What drunk said. He simply can't use such methods in situations that he doesn't have the obligation, nor right, to solve. Even the police doesn't use pepper spray to break up street brawls, as far as I know, is it right for an unauthorized civilian to use it where he sees fit?
The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.