The Satanism Thread

Well, this thread was interesting.

Here's the basic rite and ritual to denounce everything that may be believed in the Bible:

"I don't believe in anything/everything that may be believed in the Bible."

There. Simple, and easy to remember. You don't need to spend three days doing it, and you don't need to make it more elaborate to the point of drawing attention to yourself and that you're doing it. Hell, if you're actually drawing attention to yourself doing it, there's two common reasons behind it: you want the attention, or you want people to stop you. Either way, it's unnecessary, superfluous, and absolutely hilarious, insofar as my opinion may carry. I can't be the only to see the irony in someone adhering to the canon of the faith that they're trying to disavow.

The best way to stop believing in a set of beliefs or a particular religion is to just stop believing in it. No one is really going to give a damn about it, save for those that belong to the faith that you just left, but they'll just feel like they've, "lost a sheep", be sad for a while, and move on. Further irony is included here when you mention that you're sick of those that tell you they're going to pray for you. I'll give you one guess as to what Christians are going to do when you tell them you're leaving the church. You're not going to like the answer.

You don't know how that works, do you? Here's a hint: if people say they're going to pray for you, and you're still getting your cotton white panties in a twist, then chances are you still care a great deal and believe in a lot of Christian canon and fanon. If you really don't care, or even believe in the power of prayer after this I'm-Not-The-Biggest-Fan-Of-Christian-Theology '11 Tour, then someone will come up to you, say they'll pray for you, and you'll tell them super, good luck with that, and go about your day, not giving two shits with an extra large damn about them praying for you or not, since you don't even believe in that sort of thing in the first place!

I may speak for everyone else here by telling you that you're free to believe in whatever you want to believe; should anyone tell you differently, they're most likely selling you something. But I can also tell you that making a big 3-day weekend out of it misses the point completely, and that adhering to the doctrine set out by the same religion you're trying to denounce is ironic as hell and incredibly silly.

We get it, you're not going to Heaven anymore when you die. See you in Hell, and all that jazz.

I'll note here that it's probably not a good idea to double post just because no one paid any attention to your previous post. There's also no reason to give us a play-by-play of your Weekend el Diablo, whenever you go about it, here or anywhere else on the forum. Best to just make mention that you're doing it, and that should anyone be interested in an actual play-by-play of your Hating Mary, then to let you know via private messages, for you to send them.

I'll mention to the Mods that Be that this stopped really being a discussion about Satanism about 2 pages ago.

Thread Hop: La Vey: be nice to people until they fuck you: kill the Jerkass-es, continue to be nice to nice people.

When La Vey died, Aquino took over as Archbishop. Aquino preached Jerkass-ery as the moral doctrine and the Church split into many factions

It's not as if I go around telling everyone. I only meant that I would tell the really bad people about it so that they stopped harassing me in real life. It has nothing to do with me caring and everything to do with them becoming so upset that they never want to talk to me again, and finally shut the fuck up. I do not see where you got that from.

And if you actually read my posts you would know my reasons for this, it is more than just "i dont believe it", it is getting my subconscious and emotional aspect to catch up to my intellectual aspect by telling it "dude your already fucked and going to hell, stop holding yourself back"

If you cant that last part, then whatever. But can't you at least admit that while you think it's pointless, that some other people might find it a useful thing to do?

And it's still on the subject of Satanism because Christian theology was relevant to the rite.

It's as if everyone makes fun of a Christian for getting baptized. Sure, it's not needed in any practical way, but that too is a symbolic rite.

That is about the best way I could put it. Everyone seems to miss what it was that La Vey actually meant now days, and since then the Church has been self-destructing.

edit:

Does anyone know anything about the Temple of Set doctrines and beliefs? I have tried a few times to find some of it but have not been able to find out much on it.

edited 25th Oct '11 10:52:16 PM by jasonwill2

I just performed the first part of the ritual.. tonight it was renouncing Jesus.

At some points I got loud enough that the candle almost went out 0.o

Anyway, after it ended I was shaking a tiny bit, some repressed emotions came out, but I tried to not make the candle go out. ill move it further away next time.

Anyway, after I stopped shaking briefly I started to feel calm.. kind of more at peace withmyself, and oddly enough, safer.

If this is what I feel with my most civil and tame renouncation of all three persons (remember I sill kind of hold that Jesuswaswaycool) then I can't imagine how liberating it will be for renouncing the father and the holy spirit.

It went fairly well I think for my first formal ritual magic. Why did I ever just meditate and try to reach gnosis/ do lesser magic when I could perform actual greater magic?

Damn, I do not know if it's just an altered state of consciousness or something supernatural, but by holy hell it feels good to get those thoughts and emotions out of me. I'm only a third of the way there though. The tension for the next two nights I think will only add to the psychological release, and in turn, the effect of my will being projected.

edited 28th Oct '11 12:25:51 AM by jasonwill2

lol, this is some critical research failure.

There are 6 sins against the Holy Spirit:

Despair, Presumption, Obstinacy, Envy of One's Spiritual Good, Impugning Known Truth, Final Impenitence.

Its sort of too bad that Satanism sort of only kinda-sorta grasps the very surface of Christianity. It might be interesting in a bizarro sort of way otherwise.

"Actual greater magic" - Are you serious? Do you really think your ritual evokes some sort of supernatural force, just because you're now feeling calm?

While I agree with the main point of your post, that list is only accepted in Catholicism*

According to what he said, his old Church really believed that "blasphemy again the Holy Spirit" meant "saying bad things about the Holy Spirit", as bizarre as this position may appear to you or me.

""Actual greater magic" - Are you serious? Do you really think your ritual evokes some sort of supernatural force, just because you're now feeling calm?"

How is it any different from using nice emotions when praying as an argument for Yah-yah's existence?

Double standards...

Technically they believed that everything in the Bible was true, unchanging, and unfailable. Believed in the 7 day creation and many such things were literal, expect where convenient or clearly a simile or metaphor. My understanding of the verse meant that Blasphemy also includes rejecting it and not just saying bad things, but close enough. Though so far I have found that the first night of it already has helped me get rid of a lot of negative energy. The ritual for me is having a great use though, and that's all that really matters in this situation.

Satanism is in no way defined by Christian theology. It has a relationship with it, but by far Satanism is it's own religion. Your kind of showing that you do not really understand the actual focus of Satanism.

THIS, is the best definition of Satanism I've ever seen below, by Geifodd ap Pwyll.

I kind of wish I never mentioned the rite now actually...

edit: let's change the subject with some poetry.

"You breathe, O Satan

in my verses,

when from my heart explodes

a challenge to the god

Of wicked pontiffs,

bloody kings;

and like lightning you

shock men’s minds."

note: this is not my own, it's a piece of a much larger poem by Giosue Carducci.

edited 28th Oct '11 12:16:48 PM by jasonwill2

That Wall of Text looks reasonable on the first scan. The difference is that la Vey uses more exciting language, so I read la Vey all the way through.

Don't be discouraged, tell us about the results of the rituals. You felt calm, most are not impressed, but you are impressed. Clearly you must have been very agitated to be so impressed by calm.

Well that's probably because this one is more generalized as it covers both atheistic (such as La Vey) and theistic Satanism. I agree that La Vey is more fun to read, but this guy better articulated the over arching theme of Satanism in my opinion, it intellectually stimulated me more. However that is just a matter of taste on writing styles.

edit: ineeded I was agitated, for a long time now, and esp. durring the ritual. But after I laughed as my closing (a technique used in chaos magic, La Veyans strike a gong for example), I felt very calm.

edit2:

Tonight wasn't as fullfilling. Tried a couple of prayers after it as well, but wasn;t feeling it. Might of been I didn't psyche myself up for this one or that I'm really used to sacrilegious gestures against the godhead. Either way, I already had my peace made with him and it felt more like a formality.

Now tommorow is the big night and point of no return... hehe. Now that will be fun. I've never blasphemed the holy ghost before. hopefully this rite will finally help me get over all that bs in my past.

dark blessings.

edited 29th Oct '11 3:02:42 AM by jasonwill2

Hello my fellow tropers. I would like to inquire your opinions about the Joys of Satan. I'm sure that they have had quite the attention from Satanist communities and I am interested in what your opinions on them are.

For those who don't know. Imagine Satanist National Socialists. Where half of the people are bisexual.

I hate them, I hate them with a passion. The only good thing about them is that they are very respectful of the spirits/demons/whatever they invoke, and have some good meditation techniques.

But everything else about them is more or less universally hated by everyone. They are the weirdos and freaks of Satanism. They actually think that demons are aliens and more or less switch the role of Yahweh and Satan.

Despite the fact that they have helped diversify the Satanist scene by presenting some new ideas that have mutated, they are still very embarrassing to many more mature forms of Satanism. I was in their yahoo group, and the censor anything they don't like, are extremely abrasive, and childish.

I hate them with a passion for that alone; their neo-nazi sympathies completely destroy them in my eyes.

This is was my favorite site has to say about them.

Also this is about the only good thing about them according to her.

[[and apparently a lot of people are with me in my hate against Joy of Satan http://theisticsatanism.com/politics/Nazi/SatanistAntiNazi.html]]

Most Satanists are fairly liberal, actually. Another one of her pages I can't find also shows why the last thing a Satanist should be is discriminatory.

edit:

I found the page showing why Satanism and those wacky Nazis are not compatible: http://theisticsatanism.com/politics/Nazi/SatanismNazi.html

edited 30th Oct '11 3:33:53 AM by jasonwill2

I see. I've read from them and I read most of the articles on that site. It was pretty weird. But it's nice to know that the demons are being treated with respect. If they exist.

ya, the meditation techniques and the respectful way they invoke stuff is about the only good parts of them. they are pretty much weirdos imho.

they are not representative of Satanism, that much I can tell you. A Lso i saw something new there that claims the owner of the site is being charged with plagiarism or something like that.

I’d imagine a bit of healthy respect is only natural. Even in Christian demonology, it was assumed they would kill you if given if the chance. Summoning fey is pretty much the same. Maybe less likely to end in death, but still dangerous.

Seems rare that practices involving summoning assumed what was being summoned was going to be all sunshine and smiles. Giving it as few reasons to be pissed off as possible is only sensible.

Well I've always been interested in the occult. As I find the stories of magic and crap to be quite fun. Although I have no actual occult power and it more than likely doesn't exist, I still read up on some occult sites. Maybe my soul is fucked up or something?

I think ever since La Vey it has been more popular to invoke the Devils themselves (Satan, Lilith, Set, ect ect)

Though even from a Bible stand point it makes little sense for guys trying to lure you away from God to kill you or be dangerous. It makes more sense that they would lure you into worldlyness with gifts of material goods and happyness in this world in exchange of taking you down with them when the final judgement comes.

So even from a Biblical standpoint demons and Satan being baby killers and dangerous to their followers or other people is silly. who would want to worship something that might kill them?

i think it might of been more true though back when CHRISTIANS saw summoning demons to be used as slaves would make it more likely. Some groups saw them as nothing more but a tool from the other side to exploit. It makes sense in that scenario that a demon would kill you if you were a bastard to it and used it against its brotheren.

Today though the only groups that really mess with demons and Satan are people who arn;t against them, so they really would not need a reason to be trigger happy. Satanists today are probably greater in numbers than any other time. some of the old western occult tradition was written for "good" guys to use demons for their own purposes. (from my understanding).

edit: that reminds me, I finished my renouncement of the trinity about 3-4 hours ago. I say this ironically, but I have now destroyed my soul. Good job Jason, as an ex Christian it took you over two years to decide to exorcise the Holy Ghost out of you/get over it (take your pick if it was supernatural or mundane psychology).

Kinda feel really happy in a long time, in a peaceful way. I havnt felt this way in a long time. yay for soul destroying! =p might tell it in detail later, i did some major improvisation this night as opposed to the other two nights.

edited 30th Oct '11 3:50:25 AM by jasonwill2

I don’t think you need a “fucked up soul” to find it fascinating that Hell has an ambassador to France or as late as 1882, “it was reported that “if an infant is carried out after dark a piece of bread is wrapped in its bib or dress, and this protects it from any witchcraft or evil.” “

Then again, I tend to read more reference material on the subject than web-sites, so I’m not sure what I’d make if the average occult site.

edited 30th Oct '11 3:50:21 AM by Justice4243

what?

edit: being a pantheist is fun, i can have my cake and eat it too in terms of teh supernatural and Satan. its like being an atheist ans a theist at the same time and sharing both the awe and doubt at the same time and it more flexible than either.

hail either a literal or symbolic Satan!

or both!

or a natural mundane energy that is not a literal god but still external from me and not just a symbol but really exists in some form!

Pantheism is the third option there.

edited 30th Oct '11 3:55:06 AM by jasonwill2

Eh, it depends. There are many myths on demons. And some of them are very jealous and simply hate humans.

Well demons and many of these other supernatural beings tend not to be the “honest sort” from a Biblical standpoint. And, as I mentioned, they more or less hate humans. BIBLICALLY, it makes lots of sense that they simply are killers and simply are dangerous.

Well Christian demonologists certainly had no intention of being friendly with a demon, it seems rather odd to me that there’s this perception that a demon is something that could be trusted amongst the occult, if indeed there is that perception.

Even if the entities’ wasn’t necessarily interested in harming the summoner, classically interactions with them where faustian at best. And that was before Faust was even written and “faustian” became an adjective.

Though the idea behind Christian mythology doesn’t seem so much to enslave demons to fight other demons. The books on the subject still seem to talk about demons in terms of summoning them for personal gain the same way you’d summon just about anything else.

Still, I guess it just seems odd to me that if someone accepted a demon or Lucifer as their figure of worship, they’d still humor the idea that there was a good chance a “deal” or “pack” with said entity wouldn’t go awry without taking the precautions that books on this subject normally suggest.

Granted I’m not sure what, if anything they’re using a reference for summoning rituals. If they’re using the same materials that Christian demonologists use, but just teach a slightly different approach on how one is suppost to talk and interact with a demon, I could see the idea that a demon is much less likely to seek or desire revenge as a natural conclusion.

Edit: For the sake of adding to my post but not messing with it's flow, I'll add that views on demons can vary quite a bit.

Many Hebrew sources make demons seem closer to harmful bacteria or viruses than anything else. I've also heard a distinction made between "demons" and "devils" where demons are still fallen angels, but banished to Earth and not Hell, where devils are the ones that got sent to Hell for being that much worse than the demons.

edited 30th Oct '11 4:32:23 AM by Justice4243

Do note that in early christian times, the distinction between "demons" and "cacodemons" was well present. The first might be helpfull, the latter are dangerous.

In hebrew theology, "demons" include the Se'irim, creatures akin to satyrs. They were not evil, but they were wild and unpredictable.

Same happens with Enochian Magick, which proposes that cacodemons are animal like in mind, and need to be controlled.

edited 30th Oct '11 4:59:35 AM by Gannetwhale

Still, I guess it just seems odd to me that if someone accepted a demon or Lucifer as their figure of worship, they’d still humor the idea that there was a good chance a “deal” or “pack” with said entity wouldn’t go awry without taking the precautions that books on this subject normally suggest.

That statment kind of confuses me, but you must understand that most Satanists do not see Satan as a lying type. Demons are another case, I suspect they may lie a lot. Anyway I have never heard of a deal with Satan going awry. That seems more like Christian spookery to me that was designed to scare people away from Satanism.

Also note that a "devil" is the 'Satan' of their culture. Hence why Satan is called "The Devil".

I can copy and paste from my Satanic Bible here real fast a huge list of devils actually. you will probably recognize many of the names as different gods like Shiva or Set.

The Satanic Bible by La Vey:

It then mentions Satan, Lucifer, Belial, and Leveiathan. Then it lists these "devils" which take the role of Satan in their own culture or time. Some of them are even just Satan's name in a different language. I got them from the end of the book:

Abaddon

Euronymous

O-Yama

Adramelech

Fenriz

Pan

Ahpuch

Gorgo

Pluto

Ahriman

Haborym

Proserpine

Amon

Hecate

Pwcca

Apollyn

Ishtar

Rimmon

Asmodeus

Kali

Sabazios

Astaroth

Lilith

Sammael

Azazel

Loki

Samnu

Baalberith

Mammon

Sedit

Balaam

Mania

Sekhmet

Baphomet

Mantus

Set

Bast Marduk

Shaitan

Beelzebub

Mastema

Shamad

Behemoth

Melek

Taus

Shiva

Beherit

Mephistopheles

Supay

Bilé

Metztli

T'an-mo

Chemosh

Mictian

Tchort

Cimeries

Midgard

Tezcatlipoca

Coyote

Milcom

Thamuz

Dagon

Moloch Thoth

Damballa

Mormo

Tunrida

Demogorgon

Naamah

Typhon

Diabolus

Nergal

Yaotzin

Dracula

Nihasa

Yen-lo-Wang

Emma-O

Nija

those are the devils of the world. A devil is more or less an entity that has the basic arch-type of Satan.

Edit: apparently the way it is in the adobe document means that it didn't paste in alphabetical order >.>

edited 30th Oct '11 5:51:24 AM by jasonwill2

Heh heh...cacodemons.