Once Upon A Time

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Well, he never told them at all, probably because he didn't want them to risk trying it. He probably didn't think Neil would be willing to toy with something so dangerous like that.

Man, after Neil's close call at the end of season two, I didn't expect this to be his end....though the way they hung on his body makes me wonder if that's really it for him or if he's Not Quite Dead, but I don't know if they would pull that twice.

And now he's paying for not saying 'Hey, here's a way to revive me that will kill you if you do so''. By not saying anything, Neil was manipulated by their enemy. Granted, he couldn't have known that a Witch who's drowning in make-up was going to come along and manipulate them all for her own gain, but considering how common this is in Fairy Tale Land, It seems strange and less than smart when things that seem important aren't brought up. But, well, this never had the greatest of storytelling in the first place so complaining now is a bit redundant.

Rumple bringing up a way to bring him back to life would contradict his resolve to die, especially since the way to do so costs the life of someone dear to him.

I think that's a misinterpretation. Bringing the Dark One back just costs the life of the person that brings the Dark One back. Zelena didn't do it herself because she wasn't willing to sacrifice herself and her plans to bring Rumple back. Not because she couldn't..

It bothers me, though, that Rumple didn't hand Bae the dagger and try to get him to become the Dark One in order to save Baelfire's life(you know, rather than incorporate Bae into his being, going insane, and prolonging the inevitable)...

I didn't misinterpret since Neal and Belle wouldn't sacrifice another person's life to bring Gold back.

,Rumple was planning on doing that before Zelena took the dagger.

edited 2nd Apr '14 3:14:59 PM by Cross

Being the Dark One is a curse. It's not as fun as it seems. And it would have required that Bae kill his father, after having immediately brought him back.

edited 2nd Apr '14 3:00:40 PM by Discar

But Neal and Belle didn't know the cost. Zelena did, and was willing to sacrifice them. It's a misinterpretation to believe that the requirement to turn the key is loving the Dark One. The requirement for turning the key is being able and willing to turn the key.

The problem isn't so much finding someone to die for the Dark One. It's finding someone willing to release the Dark One. You don't need to entail what is required(Neal certainly didn't know), but you do need to find someone who thinks having the Dark One out and about is a good thing. Neal and Belle were the only two that believed such a thing.

Debatable. It looked like Rumple was trying to save his son by absorbing his essence into himself. Which is what he did. But Zelena noted that Rumple could either do such a thing or hold onto his dagger(since the dagger was the thing stopping Rumple from doing so). Zelena didn't take the Dagger. Rumple let it go, so he could "save" Baelfire.

And I agree. I just doubt that Rumple would be unwilling to sacrifice himself a second time to save his son. Perhaps there's something in the rules that says a person must willingly kill the Dark One to become the new one...

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Rumple didn't tell them about how to bring him back, because it will kill whoever used the key and even then neither Belle or Neal would kill someone to bring him back. Also, Rumple was getting ready to stab himself before Zelena stopped him. Neal's opinion didn't matter since he wasn't even conscious at the time.

edited 2nd Apr '14 4:51:16 PM by Cross

I know Belle and Neil wouldn't kill someone to bring him back. But there was no way for them to KNOW that it would kill someone unless Rumple told them. So, why not tell them that it will kill someone before your zealous to get you back kid gets himself killed trying to revive you.

I don't think he thought it was relevant or ever would be sought out by anyone. Didn't he die before Regina told everyone she had to send them all back to the Enchanted Forest? He also assumed that he would be dead dead rather than mostly dead and didn't really know that Neal and Belle would be anywhere near his revivy-thing of Evil. Or that the Wicked Witch of the West was hanging around the Forest looking to find some poor sucker to open it.

It would require a helluva lotta foresight for Rumple to deem it relevant to tell people about the revivy-thing of Evil.

Considering how often it is that something like that happens and they do show some levels of Genre Savvy when the plot demands it. It seemed relevant to me that it would be worth mentioning since, regardless of anyone else's involvement, either Belle or Neil could come across it and kill themselves in the process of reviving their loved one.

Heh... That'd be a funny scene come to think of it. A character starts listing off all the ways they can be revieved that could possibly kill those they love... And the list keeps going and going and going. lol

edited 3rd Apr '14 1:35:10 PM by LanceSolous13

Except if Lumiere hadn't told them, Belle would have looked it up. Beside, how would that conversation go anyways? I would imagine Neal being even more pissed off at him and Belle being disappointed & ends leaving him, again.

They were already looking for a way to bring him back and had gone to the library to find information... Let alone that the book is hardly hidden by any means. I'm sure they would have eventually come across the same stuff, just probably would have taken longer and maybe had even less information than the stuff Lumiere fed them. This is a series where you sort of end up running into randomly exactly what you need to find, like Charming finding Rapunzel just two episodes ago.

Sure, it would have been an odd conversation, but its not like we've never had hero's telling their loved ones to move on and be happy while they take the Heroic Sacrifice? I'm sure Neil and Belle wouldn't be the happiest, but Rumple would probably care more about making sure they don't kill themselves to bring him back than if they are happy before he takes his Heroic Sacrafice. He's going to make them unhappy regardless.

I suppose its still not worth debating though.

edited 3rd Apr '14 1:45:33 PM by LanceSolous13

The thing is, if they would have found it on their own, they would have also come across the part about how whoever uses the Dark One reviving method dies in the process.

As far as we know, only Rumple (and, I guess, Zelina) knew that part. And since it wasn't in anything at the Castle that suggested such, I have my doubts that they could have known on their own. But, not really worth debating since its over with and we're off to Witch-Cat Fight this Sunday. Wonder how well it'll do with Game of Thrones coming back the same night.

Unfortunately I'm going to miss it.

Wrestlemania is at the same time, and by the time it's over, Game Of Thrones will be on.

Something has to make room, and I have no DVR or other recording equipment.

Reruns for me it seems.

edited 3rd Apr '14 8:17:55 PM by HandsomeRob

Holy Crap! Walsh was the Wizard! Did NOT see that one coming.

Also, a cookie to whoever it was the guessed that Regina was literally heart

Loved the symbolism of Regina giving her heart to Robin for safekeeping too.

edited 6th Apr '14 6:05:28 PM by Sisi

I'm a bit disappointed that Jefferson isn't the Wizard; I bet that Jefferson was the Wizard, at least before his actor was cast as the Winter Soldier.

Interesting backstory of Zelena- one of those cases where I understand where they are coming from but don't really sympathize let alone condone.

edited 6th Apr '14 6:36:11 PM by Hodor

Wasn't he in First Avenger as well? Or did someone else play Bucky in that one?

He was, but I think that was filmed after his appearance in Once?

I guess this makes Emma and Walsh relationship less squicky, dammit. Though if they do reveal that Zelena is Rumple's daughter that will make up for it.

Yes, he was Bucky in the first movie.

Can you explain the reasoning behind Jefferson being the Wizard?

edited 6th Apr '14 6:55:58 PM by Cross

I can't really remember the earlier episode well (it was the one that was sort of Regina's Start of Darkness and Jefferson and Frankenstein/Whale were helping Rumpel drive her over the edge), but the traveling between worlds thing was brought up- and of course that's the ability of Jefferson's hat.

So, either of the two seemed likely. I thought Whale more so since he comes from a colorless world without magic and seeks the power of Magic (but doesn't really respect magic)- would be a good set-up for a Wizard who fooled people with Science (with a little Magic thrown in).

That would be me.

Aw Yeah! Let Coola give you my feelings on the matter:

So great to be right about something. It kills me that I missed this, but Wrestlmania and Game Of Thrones beckoned.

Wait...something just struck me about this episode if Regina is indeed Zelena's sister. Remember in the famous 1930's movie how the wicked witch of the west had a sister, who was the wicked witch of the east? And how she, well, you know, got a house dropped on her? (referenced by grumpy!) What if as a twist, Regina is by roundabout ways the wicked witch of the east, and we actually get some information that Oz and the enchanted forest are "east" and "west" of each other? I mean, she did kinda get a house of a different sort dropped on her: A family. Twice, if you include the one that did eventually destroy her somewhat; Henry's presence slowly began killing the evil queen inside her. It would also make for a more traditional look like from Baum's books where the witch of the west was out for power rather than any personal vendetta on behalf of the witch of the east. Besides, Snow did say at her wedding that regina had become, "Nothing more than an evil witch!"

I don't think you're meant to sympathize with Zelena that much. Yeah, her dad was an asshole, but almost everything else she did to herself. Hell, she even turned herself green. I have to say, that stands out in terms of Wicked Witch origin stories. Usually the greens skin is due to some external factor or accident, but here it's a physical symbol. Kinda neat, actually.