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@AHR But what other reason is there for why the Apple was in the Blind Witch's house? Do you think the Queen plucked said apple and decided to give it to the Witch and then decided she wanted it back?
It's a theory. You can not like the theory, fine. But come up with a better one before you dismiss it as "lazy."
@zombie: No. I have no problem distinguishing Henry from the other boys that have appeared...
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I just gave a reason. Why the apple if everything in the place could serve the same purpose? There needs to be another reason.
Come back when you have a theory that you can justify beyond "because the fairy tale says so"
edited 16th Jan '12 2:34:51 PM by MrAHR
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Oh, I see what you mean. My only reasoning would be because it's symbolic. I don't have anything other than that. I'll think about it.
Swish does have a point, though.
edited 16th Jan '12 2:35:38 PM by zombielovescore
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I'd like to hear the reason why Jiminy needed to be a cricket and not some other creature... You know, a justification beyond "because the fairy tale says so."
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There was a logical build up. They might get to the end result of the fairy tale, but they did not have it include plot holes that would result from your apple theory.
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What plot hole?
Seriously, you're going to have to go step-by-step and explain what the issue is, AHR...
- The Queen wants an item from the Blind Witch's house.
- Said item turns out to be an apple.
My theory addresses why the Queen wants the item from the blind witch's house to begin with, nothing more.
The question of "why an apple and not some other food item" isn't as big of a deal to me... Not least because said question is one to be asked of the fairytale itself... Not a show that is retelling the fairy tales. At least not until we see said apple given to Snow (because for all we know this apple is for some other purpose).
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The fact that the apple is clearly supposed to be special, but apparently has a trait that makes it indistinguishable from every other item in her house.
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Is it indistinguishable? Gretel was able to not eat anything...
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Including the apple? What's your point about Gretel?
Notice no one tried to eat the apple when it was introduced at the end of the episode.
edited 16th Jan '12 2:58:45 PM by MrAHR
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No one tried to eat it at the end of the episode because it wasn't shown at the end of the episode.
Still, why claim the claim it has a trait that is indistinguishable from everything else in the house?
Assume that my claim were true for a moment. That the Blind Witch can make food that people want to eat... As we know, all magic comes with a price(according to Rumpelstiltskin), so why risk said price by casting the spell on everything in the house? Especially when the Witch only eats children, and sweets are perfectly good at getting eaten by children even without such a spell.
The only thing "special" about the food that was set out was that it made the Witch aware of the presence of the child who took a bite... That alone likely makes the apple different from all the sweets in the house.
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The 29 minute mark of a 43 minute long show isn't "the end" of the episode... Still, you could address the issue...
edited 16th Jan '12 3:13:15 PM by Swish
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It was shown at the end of the episode! She took it out and held it in front of Hansel and Gretel!
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Isn't the answer just that we don't know the full significance of the apple yet?
"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
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Yes. It is. Pretty much.
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Not really... We know the apple is used to put Snow White to sleep. We just don't know why it was needed to be that apple instead of some random one from a random tree...
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Maybe the sleep curse was put in the apple and then the Blind Witch stole it? Or Evil Queen gave it to her for safe keeping and Blind Witch decided to play keepsies.
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Maybe the Evil Queen just likes apples. She did seem pretty pissed when Emma cut down her tree. As for why the Blind Witch had it, that might be a reason.
Maybe it isn't the apple. Maybe it's the spell inside the apple. "To sleep until true love's kiss", and that's what makes it different...hullo, ninjas.
But, yeah. Same deal as with Maleficent.
...It never made sense to me in the original fairytale, tho, that the Queen would want to make her do that. Why not just outright kill her?
edited 17th Jan '12 8:57:06 AM by Maridee
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Soon after, the king takes a new wife, who is beautiful but also very vain. The new queen possesses a magical mirror, an animate object that answers any question, to whom she often asks: "Mirror, mirror on the wall / Who is the fairest of them all?" (in German "Spieglein, Spieglein, an der Wand / Wer ist die Schönste im ganzen Land?"; in Italian "Specchio, servo delle mie brame, chi è la più bella di tutto il reame?" ) to which the mirror always replies "You, my queen, are fairest of all." But when Snow White reaches the age of seven, she becomes as beautiful as the day, and when the queen asks her mirror, it responds: "Queen, you are full fair, 'tis true, but Snow White is fairer than you." Though in another version, the mirror simply replies: "Snow White is the fairest of them all."
The queen becomes jealous, and orders a huntsman to take Snow White into the woods to be killed. She demands that the huntsman, as proof of killing Snow White, return with her lungs and her liver. The huntsman takes Snow White into the forest, but after raising his knife to stab her, he finds himself unable to kill her as he has fallen deeply in love with her. Instead, he lets her go, telling her to flee and hide from the Queen. He then brings the queen the lungs and the liver of a boar, which is prepared by the cook and eaten by the queen.
In the forest, Snow White discovers a tiny cottage belonging to a group of seven dwarves, where she rests. There, the dwarves take pity on her, saying "If you will keep house for us, and cook, make beds, wash, sew, and knit, and keep everything clean and orderly, then you can stay with us, and you shall have everything that you want." They warn her to take care and let no one in when they are away delving in the mountains. Meanwhile, the Queen asks her mirror once again "Who's the fairest of them all?", and is horrified to learn that Snow White is not only alive and well and living with the dwarves, but is still the fairest of them all.
Three times the Queen disguises herself and visits the dwarves' cottage while they are away during the day, trying to kill Snow White. First, disguised as a peddler, the Queen offers colorful stay-laces and laces Snow White up so tight that she faints, causing the Queen to leave her dead on the floor. However, Snow White is revived by the dwarves when they loosen the laces. Next, the Queen dresses as a different old woman and brushes Snow White's hair with a poisoned comb. Snow White again collapses, but again is saved by the dwarves. Finally, the Queen makes a poisoned apple, and in the disguise of a farmer's wife, offers it to Snow White. When she is hesitant to accept it, the Queen cuts the apple in half, eats the white part and gives the poisoned red part to Snow White. She eats the apple eagerly and immediately falls into a deep stupor. When the dwarves find her, they cannot revive her, and they place her in a glass coffin, assuming that she is dead.
Time passes, and a prince traveling through the land sees Snow White. He strides to her coffin. The prince is enchanted by her beauty and instantly falls in love with her. He begs the dwarves to let him have the coffin. The prince's servants carry the coffin away. While doing so, they stumble on some roots and the movement causes the piece of poisoned apple to dislodge from Snow White's throat, awakening her (in later adaptions of the tale, the prince kisses Snow White, which brings her back to life). The prince then declares his love for her and soon a wedding is planned.
The vain Queen, still believing that Snow White is dead, once again asks her mirror who is the fairest in the land, and yet again the mirror disappoints her by responding that "You, my queen, are fair; it is true. But the young queen is a thousand times fairer than you." Not knowing that this new queen was indeed her stepdaughter, she arrives at the wedding, and her heart fills with the deepest of dread when she realizes the truth. As punishment for her wicked ways, a pair of heated iron shoes are brought forth with tongs and placed before the Queen. She is then forced to step into the iron shoes and dance until she drops dead. (Other versions imply that she dies of a heart attack.)
I was bored, so here's the original myth.
I'm guessing that the Queen was indeed trying to kill her. She just had to do it in a way that couldn't be traced back to her.
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Which version is that?
Also. Does anyone have any ideas on who Mr. K is?
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Okay, what do we know about Mr. K?
He's in charge of information (records in our world, who knows what in the fairy World).
he has a bit of a stick up his butt.
He has a difficult to pronounce Slavic name.
The first two don't ring any bells but the last part makes me think he might be Chernobog
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..ok, is it just me, or is Grumpy played by the "MAI MACHINES!!" guy?
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No, its not you, I knew I've seen him before.
You lost!
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The writer's name is Grimm 
Some nights I rule the world...
At the very least, I'm 90% certain he's the one who wrote that particular story book.
I don't really understand what you're trying to get at. It's an apple, it's supposed to be symbolic.
edited 16th Jan '12 2:28:36 PM by zombielovescore