Whoa. Well, I'm not surprised the Pope would want to cover that up, since this would be a PR disaster for the Church. Do we have any evidence that this was a systematic occurrence, or was this confined to a few isolated incidents?
Wait, the Queen and the Pope are being charged? What about the ones who physically perpetrated these crimes?
edited 8th Oct '11 7:21:06 PM by tropetown
They want someone to blame. They can't go after the Pope of the time, since he's dead, so they're just shifting the blame to the inheritor of the title.
Although, it sounds like they had evidence that Benedict himself was involved, so there is that.
edited 8th Oct '11 7:25:56 PM by tropetown
They're going after him because he helped cover up the incident according to this article.
I should think they will be going after the people who ran the school as well (at least I hope so).
.... Um. OK, seriously. Ritual torture by priests? Would this be Anglican or Catholic rituals?
Be not afraid...Well... and I thought the Catholics were in trouble for the molestation crap. This is... an order or magnitude or two above that, easy. Wow.
Why would they do such a thing? I really cannot fathom it.
I am now known as Flyboy.Whoa whoa whoa.
I... what. Personally participated. What.
Was John Paul II involved in this? That would be....
edited 8th Oct '11 7:28:44 PM by Merlo
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am..."a residential school for Mohawk operated by the Church of England and the Vatican before its closure in 1970."
That's the level of journalism you're dealing with here. Ignore.
“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. BernardThey wanted to force the natives to assimilate into white Canadian culture. I would assume that the deaths and torture were inflicted on those children who were not conforming to their liking.
edited 8th Oct '11 7:29:17 PM by tropetown
I hope not. I like John Paul II.
Well, sure, back in the damn 1800s, but this is the '70s we're talking about, that shit isn't supposed to happen anymore by that point...
edited 8th Oct '11 7:30:17 PM by USAF713
I am now known as Flyboy.Was John Paul II involved in this? That would be....
Part of what the Pope does is cover up any recent scandal that could hurt the image of the Catholic Church. That's why it's not a surprise that he was involved in the cover-up of this, and John Paul II probably did the same thing, as well. It was for the good of the Church, in their minds.
I would really like to see the evidence implicating both the Queen and the Pope as having personally ordered these things to happen, though.
Well, they couldn't just massacre the natives anymore, so they wanted to try by other means to get them to assimilate.
edited 8th Oct '11 7:34:37 PM by tropetown
I see that The Mohawk Institute was a real Anglican residential school in Brantford, Ontario that did close in 1970. Obviously, the Roman Catholic Church never had anything to do with it.
“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. BernardSeriously, have you guys read the article? O.o
I was unaware that the Queen personally performs 'ritual child sacrifices' and 'ritual torture'. Rituals for what? Is this some side of Christianity that I have yet to be initiated in? Did I miss the memo at my Confirmation?
I realise that horrible things have been done to indigenous people, up to and including genocide. But I'm not going to swallow this.
Be not afraid...^ Huh?
The 10 aboriginal children were never seen again.
The article seems to suggest it was a one-time thing, not like the Queen went over there and killed a kid every week.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...That still doesn't make sense, though. For what purpose would she have murdered them, unless they're suggesting that the Queen of England is a serial killer?
Right. I want to see some evidence. I wouldn't be surprised, though; I know horrible things took place at the residential schools, so this actually wouldn't be too unbelievable.
Like I said; is there any evidence that this stretches beyond a few isolated incidents (I would be extremely surprised if this was a one-time thing)? If not, you can't accuse the Queen or the Pope of attempting to commit genocide, as a campaign of genocide would be far more widespread.
edited 8th Oct '11 8:02:49 PM by tropetown
I think something very wrong happened here, but I somehow doubt that it actually made it up so far as they think it did...
I am now known as Flyboy.I...just cannot believe this. This seems absolutely and ridiculously implausible. Is there any confirmation for this anywhere besides this article?
A coverup, I could believe. But ritual genocide? Really? In the 1960s? By the Queen, and covered up by the Pope? How am I supposed to take that seriously?
edited 8th Oct '11 7:54:09 PM by Ultrayellow
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.It sounds like the plot pitch for a bad exploitation film.
"In a World… where the Queen eats millions of children a year, hidden in plain sight by the Pope and his Catholic Church, it's up to Canadian lawyers to bring justice."
...
Yeah, that's absolutely ridiculous...
edited 8th Oct '11 7:51:35 PM by USAF713
I am now known as Flyboy.If it were widespread enough, I might believe a claim of genocide. However, the facts as they are presented don't seem to indicate anything leaning toward systematic genocide. Plus, there are far too many survivors of these schools for a genocide claim to be reasonable; the schools were, admittedly, brutal re-education facilities, not concentration camps.
Plus, the idea that the Queen just randomly strolled down to a school, picked out ten children, and killed them for no reason is laughable. Maybe if she had a habit of doing that, it could make sense, but again, why fly all the way to Canada to kill children, when there are millions of British children she could get away with murdering?
edited 8th Oct '11 7:52:55 PM by tropetown
I'm going to put it down to Examiner.com being an untrustworthy source, and going with that.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.Plus, wouldn't one of the students speak on this, and much earlier at that?
Yes. This entire thing has more holes the longer you look at it.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.The Queen of England just doesn't strike me as the baby eating type.
Now, the fact that their key witness is dead doesn't help much, either...
I am now known as Flyboy.I smell a Dan Brown novel...
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/mass-genocide-of-mohawk-children-by-uk-queen-and-vatican-uncovered-canada
Short version:
Ground penetrating radar found mass graves of Mohawk children mass murdered at a residential school in Canada that was eventually closed in the 1970s.
EDIT: So this it the examiner, which is a tabloid for those who don't know. Anybody able to figure out if the mass graves are true?
edited 8th Oct '11 9:23:15 PM by breadloaf