American Horror Story

I don't know. It just seems so... obvious. Or at least in the presentation. The logical answer to him being invited to the Serial Killer Dinner is that he is one. But, if its true through and through, the Reveal is hardly shocking or interesting since the writers have litterally just thrown a brick at us.

the detective is the killer. Didn't see that coming.

Oddly, now I'm getting images of the Serial Killers giving him critiques on each murder, very Black Comedy.

I'm going to the carnival.

It's going to be an awful day.

remember Queenie? Yeah, she's dead now. Now her ghost is gonna be in that hotel forever...anyway ghosts confirmed murderers final episode

I don't get why they don't just leave the hotel.

who?

What a bizzare season finale.

The last episode seemed like it was setting up Sally to be the final villain. I thought that was an interesting choice. The other characters kill because they enjoy it and it gives them an ego boost, Sally kills because she hates everything. In a story that features really over-the-top bad guys, I like it when they're contrasted with a simpler character who manages to be dangerous through sheer hatred or insanity. I assumed part of the finale would be focused on the fact that the Lowes can't walk away after everything they've done, and that they would be dragged back to the hotel for one final confrontation. Much like last season's finale and what happened to Elsa, they went for an overly simplistic "everything's fine now" resolution. I like happy endings, but not when I want the entire cast to die in a fire.

Like other Ryan Murphy shows, it seems to be written by people who have completely different ideas on what drives the characters and what tone the show should have. John Lowe started out as a guy desperately trying to keep his sanity and humanity when surrounded by monsters, which I found very compelling. Then they switch gears and decide to reveal him as a serial killer, which he ends up embracing whole heartedly, making him boring. A similar thing happened to Alex. I like how nuanced she was in the beginning. She loved her son more than her husband and daughter, but made no excuses for it. She doesn't blame her husband for their son's disappearance, and she wants a divorce not because she doesn't love him anymore, but because she feels like they can't hold together in light of their tragedy. After she gets vamped, she loses all of that complexity and abandons her daughter and tries to drive her husband to insanity without any hesitation or remorse.

One of AHS's problems is that the subplots never intertwine in the way they should. Storylines often feel like they're too seperated. And once they're resolved, they're often never mentioned again. I feel like a good subplot should influence the story even after it's been completed, otherwise it feels like a waste of time. The vampire children ceased to be relevant after they were fed to Ramona. Bartholomew was a creepy little bugger, but he ultimately had no plot relevance.

If it wasn't for how good of a character Liz Taylor was, I think the second half of the season might've fallen completely flat.

A good subplot is not just one that factors into the plot, but one that weaves it's way into the main narrative in either a subtle way (i.e. Small character development to serve later plots) or something that will totally blond side the audience and tie in in an unexpected way (i.e. Johanna's mother that she has parental abandonment issues is actually the old woman who's befriended her boyfriend Kyle and builds into a Holy Shit Moment).

Yes. Until I started watching AHS, I had never really thought about what makes a subplot good. But seeing how quickly this series is willing to abandon its side stories made me realize that a subplot needs to have some relevance to the overall story.

Thank God, all those horrible people got a happy ending.

So I see the writers still can't write a decent season finale. Maybe one day.

I'm partway into the first season of this show, on the recommendation of a friend.

There are a lot of creepy moments, but there are so many horror things going on that seem to have absolutely nothing to do with each other. It's confusing and kind of overwhelming, which is something I don't think I've ever said about a story, ever.

Apparently there's going to be a bunch of fake trailers to hide what the next season is going to be about. Sounds like a waste of good season ideas.

I haven't watched this series before, but I'm thinking about it since season 6 is about to start. Am I correct in my understanding that each season is a separate miniseries? Do I need to've seen the last seasons to understand this one?

You're right, each season is a separate story. Now in the last few seasons they've started having characters from one season show up in another one, but they're mostly glorified cameos so you should be able to jump right in season 6 and not miss a thing.

Okay, thanks.

I started watching Season 6 due to a rumor that Slender Man would be involved in the plot. Boy was I disappointed.

I liked the premiere (I have to fight my urge to call it a "pilot" because it feels like an entirely different show), but it was kind of a slow burn. It was creepy and tense, though.

Lee is the most well-rounded character so far, but she's a supporting protagonist, not one of the main protagonists.

I'm disappointed that they did not yet establish Lady Gaga's character, whoever they will be. I'm eager to see her. I also miss some of the other familiar actors and actresses.

The actors absolutely slayed it, of course.

I wonder how the rest of the show will play out. Will they continue with the My Roanoke Nightmare Framing Device, and the story of Matt and Shelby? I think that could be a bit dull after a while. That's why I wonder if maybe each episode will tell its own story that will eventually form the arc of the season.

I thought it was a decent premier. Slow burn, but promising so far.

I hope the horror aspects pick up. For all of its writing flaws, I do think American Horror Story has a lot of grotesque imagery, and some creepy ideas. None of the horror in this episode was very creative (Shining twins, really?). It seems more darkly lit than normal too. I get that lighting is an important part of establishing an atmosphere, but in a show like AHS, I want to see every filthy detail.

The characters weren't very practical in ensuing their own safety. The first thing that stood out to me is that Matt has Lee come over to protect Shelby, but she keeps her gun locked in a drawer. The second is that Matt sets up a camera system and synchs it to his phone that so he can see what's going on around the house when he's not there. Yet they keep their home phone on vibrate, making it a lot harder to warn them if he actually sees something.

The reinactment aspect threw me off. Since I don't watch dramatization shows, I found myself confused as to why the characters looked and sounded different outside of the interview segments. It's a neat idea, and a nice way to help distinguish the season from the previous ones, although I wonder if it'll be that way for the whole show.

I think they're kind of leaning a bit too hard on keeping this season's theme a secret. Yeah, it's a nice promotional mystery, but I don't see the point in keeping it under wraps beyond the first episode. I doubt it's going to be some big revelation that ties everything together. I really hope we at least get a title sequence, because those are some of the best parts about the show.

"I think they're kind of leaning a bit too hard on keeping this season's theme a secret."

Oh don't worry, the secret of the sixth season is so secret that even the creators don't know what it is.

edited 15th Sep '16 1:19:27 PM by ThePest179

Given how little long term plotting went into Freak Show, I can believe it.

People are saying the season's subtitle is "My Roanoke Nightmare", but I'm uncertain if that's just supposed to be the name of the in-series show. The credits didn't list a subtitle either.

Just from the premiere, it looks more promising than the last two seasons.

Just watched the premiere and it's pretty good so far, certainly better than the last few seasons. I wonder where they're going with the whole true crime/dramatization shtick.

I can't tell if these ghosts run on the same rules as previous season ghosts.