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Where feather imprints have been found, it's undeniable. The problem (I think) is that feathers obviously don't survive the fossilisation process and the imprints are that much more fragile as a result. A lot of it has been extrapolated from the avian characteristics of certain kinds of dinosaurs, which tend to be the "raptor" theropods. Obviously there's no way in hell Brachiosaurus would have feathers.
edited 8th Oct '11 2:29:17 PM by pagad
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Yes, where they found feathers, I totally agree. But there's a fine line between extrapolation and conjecture. Conjecture's fine too, but what bothers me is when conjecture is presented as fact.
Even if they do find out that all dinos had feathers, I still won't believe they evolved into birds, though. Just sayin'.
edited 8th Oct '11 2:30:50 PM by LoganLocksley
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I don't think all the dinosaurs evolved into birds. It totally makes sense for the raptor-esque theropods to have become birds of prey, however...
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Not if you don't believe in evolution it doesn't. :D
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Why not? It makes the most sense.
I'm kind of disappointed that there's no evidence for non-avian dinosaurs surviving the K/T extinction event, though.
Edit: but not believing in evolution is extremely bloody silly!
edited 8th Oct '11 2:35:26 PM by pagad
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edited 8th Oct '11 2:35:27 PM by USAF713
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No, it isn't. It really isn't. Something as incredibly complex as life does not "Just happen."
edited 8th Oct '11 2:36:34 PM by LoganLocksley
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I believe you are arguing something different there butanywaysthatisonenicepictureofanimaginarytheropod.
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No John, you are the Dinosaurs.
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The amount of evidence for evolution at this point is so titanic that not believing in it is pig-headedness at its very worst.
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Dinosaurs are extinct because of Dino Crisis.
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I'm not going to discuss this here. It'll just turn into an ugly argument that I don't want. I will say that I'm not a crazy ultr-literal-world-created-in-six-literal-days kind of person. My reasons for not believing in evolution are not based on blind faith but a rational examination of the evidence. Again, I really want to avoid an ugly argument so I'll leave it at that.
edited 8th Oct '11 2:42:50 PM by LoganLocksley
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Actually they're alive, but only mega-rich hunters can access them.
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But I am interested in what you think, more so if you don't believe in literal seven-day creation silliness. Any chance of a post in the Evolution-Creationism Debates thread or failing that a PM?
edited 8th Oct '11 2:47:59 PM by pagad
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I might send you a PM if I can get my thoughts in order enough to streamline them in enough for a PM. I'll see when I can get that done...thanks for the interest. :)
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You guys so fail at biology, and not [just] because of the creationism.
1- Nobody is saying all dinosaurs had feathers, but it makes sense to think that all coelurosaurs had feathers due to phylogenetic brackening. Yes, that includes T. rex. Why? First, feathers are very needed because dinosaurs had a surface area much larger than that of modern mammals, so they'd loose body heat more easily. Second, modern large tropical birds have dense feather coats; compare a cassowary to a peccary, and see which one is more fluffy. And finally, phylogenetic brackening.
2- To say that all dinosaurs evolved into birds is like saying that all primates became humans. It is failure at knowledge on how evolution works.
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Why feathers and not fur, though, if it's simply a question of retaining warmth?
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Different DNA coding, perhaps?
I personally don't buy the idea that they were cold-blooded, though. It just doesn't seem like it would work, for such large animals...
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edited 8th Oct '11 3:06:17 PM by mailedbypostman
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I think current scientific consensus is that they were warm blooded.
Uhh...K/T extinction event? I maintain a probably doomed hope that non-avian dinosaurs survived into the Paleocene, though...
edited 8th Oct '11 3:13:30 PM by pagad
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And, yeah, the K/T extinction event... high-impact strike off the Yucatan, no? I like the Nemesis Thoery, too, but that's just me...
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<reads up on Nemesis Theory>
Well, that's not terrifying in its implications at all.
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edited 8th Oct '11 2:28:52 PM by LoganLocksley
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