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Amusingly enough Tyrir and Stuart don't like each other already but have voted the same way so far.

I've heard of this thing called politics before. Maybe that's it.

No, I actually didn't know the Cradle was right next to SAD space, I thought it was deeper in Lancel space. The thing is, nobody else noticed. So Tyrir was literally wrong and nobody called him out on it.

Hence why it's being retconned.

Already done, actually. You'll notice in the last map the Cradle has jumped a couple stars to the right.

So the journey there is now straight on 'til morning, huh?

Hey Parable, I'm wondering... do you think the korpers might have 'tour guides' of the Verandi Worlds? Assuming the government gave them the proper papers, of course, and the korpers didn't eat any of the locals...

Hmm... say, I'm curious. At what point does 'frequent hit and run raids on trading routes and military patrols' change into 'okay, we've had enough of the Karnis's crap now, time to take names and call up the whole 'Human Defence Pact' to stop these guys?'

@Faux: I'd be very, very wary of setting up charity drives and outposts on korper worlds. Even if those worlds are inhabitable by humans in the first place, you'd have to be very low-key or you'd easily wind up with the Karnis bombing your guys for the hell of it.

@Axes: I'm curious... how forgiving are the Imago, if they realised that the Karada aren't just a bunch of marauding warriors and barbarians?

@rabbit: -is curious about Tyrir's thought of a bunch of rampaging barbarians being 'useful' if controlled?-

Isn't that fairly obvious? It doesn't matter if they're a giant horde of rampaging barbarians if the SAD can point them at other races and have them do their thing. As long as they can be controlled, their risky and dangerous but still valuable. As soon as they can't be controlled, they're a liability that needs to be put down.

Eventua: For NAH? A single raid will put military escorts on their convoys, the next raid is a declaration of war.

Feel free to raid convoys :3

Hey Rider, you know Rasse is going to shut Tyrir down with his own words now, right?

edited 1st Jan '12 4:55:44 PM by SOCR

I already know he'll brush it off like a minor concern.

@Eventua: Maltese are inclusively human. Korper immigrants would be welcomed, integrated, assimilated, trained and sent back as missionaries in that order. A lot of that training in those circumstances would involve how to work underground and improve conditions without drawing a great deal of attention.

@SOCR: Hang on, so did this just change from 'the Karnis aren't attacking NAH!' to, in fact, the very opposite? 'Cause they will if they can. :/

@rabbit: Promise the Karnis that they get to keep all of the inorganic worlds after they start sweeping along and that you'll hand them a bunch of shiny new toys, and they'll fly into a Black Hole if they honestly think it'll win the day.

@Faux: I see... I dunno how well that would work. Trying to teach korpers about God in any kind of meaningful way is comparable to teaching a bunch of retarded chimps how to play chess against the world champion and win. They'll just shrug and start eating the furniture.

[EDIT] Also, I just read the main thread and internally laughed at Tyrir. Seriously, an 'idle threat'? A 'massive warship'? You do realise it's an 'Ivemek', and that by extension it's basically a massive civilian transport with a bunch of guns on the side? Easily half of the passengers are wahgits. Ya know. Larvae.

edited 2nd Jan '12 2:38:24 AM by Eventua

The Imago's first rule is 'if you aren't hostile, we're your friends' and their second rule is 'if you are hostile, screw with us at your peril'. There are one or two Imago who actually remember the fall of Astriy (the majority of Imago don't age), and Lord Tercimer is one of them. As a result, the Imago are going to be pretty darn suspicious of the Korpers, and while it's possible for Karada to convince them that they have changed, they're going to have to put in a lot of legwork for that to happen. As for Karnis, they aren't going to be swayed from the position that they're anything but brutally expansionist monsters deserving of a cull.

I'm currently trying to put a finger on where exactly in galactic space the Imago would be situated.

It doesn't matter if it's crewed by babies, the guns still work and there are a lot of them.

@Eventua; The Order is flexible and willing to give them cultural flexibility for the to understand God in their own way. That way might be "Mutual Interest is Upgood", focused on the feeling of security and benefit they get when being helped by someone and then showing that with reciprocation it is to their benefit, immediate at first but later on in a more general wider sense. As long as it sets them on the right road.

Agreed. If anything youths on the ship seem to be a Korpershield. If it can shoot, it can shoot.

Editing this back in, I had said something to the effect that I think what was said was what was implied, either there has been no raiding or else open war is happening. And Open war with the NAH along with lukewarm relations to others wouldn't exactly sinch them a spot

edited 2nd Jan '12 7:50:29 AM by Fauxlosophe

I never said the Karnis were invited. But I agree, there's been no mention or discussion of an open war already taking place (unless you count a handful of small border skirmishes between the Verandi and the Karnis), so the Karnis and the NAH probably haven't met yet, though I have no doubt the Verandi would have told the other races about the Korper and (hopefully) made the distinction of 'Karada = Reasonably Nice' and 'Karnis = Reasonably Nasty'.

@Faux: Okay, that kind of makes sense I guess. Just bear in mind that for most korpers, being 'Karada' or 'Karnis' has no real relevance. Short of a galactic war, 'Joe Average Korper' will neither care about or be up to date on 'the Ord as a whole'. For most 'Karada' citizens, the knowledge that 'We've got ooh'man allies' will be brand new news, and then they'll likely shrug and get back to whatever they were doing.

@Hydrall & Faux: Hmm... good point. Is there anyway to detect if the guns are deactivated or unmanned? Anyway that the Karada can intentionally make themselves more vulnerable as a sign of faith? Short of jumping out of the system (which would take up to an hour to turn the ship around)?

Lastly, korpers are (usually) highly affectionate towards their young: the Verandi would (maybe? Assuming they'd been allowed to analyse and watch some korpers 'at their daily lives'?) know this. If Karada tried using the wahgits of the crew as a bluff and a meatshield, the crew would tear 'im' apart.

To an outsider that would ring of a flimsy pretext at a false flag operation. Which would lead to a difficulty accepting that any Korper representative would be taken on if either Karnis or Karada were at open war and enough of the representatives found themselves threatened or just generally held them an unproductive lot to negotiate with.

Short of Galatic War, The Order is concerned with helping who they can and spreading the word. Allies with Karada would be a bit of a stretch, though they might have sympathizers within a lingue that would speak on their behalf in the event of a war. Otherwise, the average clergy member would be vaguely aware of the mission however big it may be and the average citizen would likely care even less.

To the last part,

That is Dalt's department but it would need to be something more than hitting an off switch that could be turned on again in a minute or two. Also, I imagine the delegation will be taking more than an hour. Likely, considering the nature of this RP, it will take days or even weeks. Probably not the best way to keep a ship full of youths; locked inside a ship with deactivated weaponry outside a foreign delegation indefinitely.

I think another worrying thing is that there is a ship full of their young. It would be like if China showed up to UN headquarters in New York with a boatload of immigrants sitting in the harbour.

Also; I'd say Humans are usually affectionate towards their young and under normal circumstances would attack anyone using children as a shield, but there are circumstances where it doesn't happen, so I think it's still rather unsettling for those aboard the station.

edited 2nd Jan '12 8:14:37 AM by Fauxlosophe

I thought the Karada Ord ship was just going to drop off their guy and take off.

I'm wondering if anyone is confused yet... I should perhaps explain how the 'ords' work.

As an example, you have the Karada Ord: it contains many different 'ives', or major planet-wide groups of korpers. However, for the most part the actual influence of the 'ord' is limited to the 'Entyives' (the nomadic fleet based ives). These entyives are divided into the ivemeks, which in turn act (somewhat) independantly.

The ivemeks (sometimes assisted by small fleets of other ships) travel from planet-bound ive to planet-bound ive, collecting or trading resources and crew members to gently remind the ives that 'you guys are on our side BTW' and the locals are all like 'oh, cool beans, k thx'. In the event of a major conflict or serious issue, then either:

A) The Entyives and their Fleets sort it out, or if it's really, really big...
B) The Entyives gather up the 'iveguvs' of the planet-bound ives and form a true alliance. A full-blown, proper alliance between the ives is powerful enough to cause some serious crap for everyone on their bad-side.

The Karnis are basically the same, except instead of the ivemeks showing up to say 'you guys are on our side, BTW' it's more:

"You lot better give us (insert demands here) 'cause you work for us and we're the Black Legion."

If the local ive says 'nah thanks' they either get invaded, bombed or remotely brainwashed through the Black Legion's mysterious Guv'Pardmeks.

tl;dr Which 'ord' a korper belongs to only really matters when an ivemek shows up, when they're involved in a war or when somethign really big is happening. If you send them a message asking who they work for, most korpers will just tell you. Or shoot you, if they're one of the Black Legion.

[EDIT] Lastly, the ivemek will not be there long: after the end of this specific meeting, they'll drop off the real ambassador and 'is' party and then leave. That's it.

[ALSO EDIT] Also wondering, what does 'the average member' of each faction do for fun? o_O"

edited 2nd Jan '12 9:46:11 AM by Eventua

In more simplistic terms, an Ord is a loose confederation of Ives that only really acts as a single unit when under threat.

Eh, yes, I suppose! :D

"Also wondering, what does 'the average member' of each faction do for fun?"

Tell stories, sing, dance, go to the theater, bet on races, participate in races, shop, basketball.

Actually, there are three humaan sports the Molo'Qraaat'in have an interest in (off the top of my head): Lacrosse, jai alai, and polo.

Interesting list. Though I'm curious to image what the mounts look like?

@Eventua; Still seems to be an issue if there is a sense of Pan-Korper unity that they are not breaking from for the sake of Off'gits that some of their kind are attacking. The representative would have to be held accountable if not for the actions of the Karnis then for his ties to them.

Also, recreation is listed on several Faction's wiki pages.

edited 2nd Jan '12 12:24:50 PM by Fauxlosophe

There are two varieties of polo with them, "centaur" polo, played without mounts, and a more regular kind, played with something large, plated, and obedient.

@Faux: I'm a little confused by what you mean, but, uh, basically if I get you right...

You mean that the individual 'Karnis Iveguvs' would be held accountable for the actions of the 'Karnis Ord' AKA the Black Legion? Yeah, I kind of get that. That's why they don't have a representative at the Cradle.

Also, korpers enjoy various sports and games and entertainment, and I'm now imagining a korper 'band' rocking out at the Verandi Empire's I JAM festival...

HO BOY I just had an epic idea. If and when a true galaxy wide alliance is formed, there could be an equivalent to the Olympics! And an equivalent to the Eurovision Song Contest/American Idol!

...

o_o

I just had a mental image of Simon Cowell as a Dotur.

edited 2nd Jan '12 12:37:20 PM by Eventua

"I just had a mental image of Simon Cowell as a Dotur."

A galaxay of fear.