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#1: Sep 11th 2011 at 9:15:00 PM

The opening scene of this superhero story I'm working on starts in a courtroom. Problem is, I have no idea what courtroom proceedings are like. I'd like to add more detail, and lengthen it out a bit. Plus make it seem more realistic. Here's what I've got so far:

“We will hear argument today in Case 09-1658, Cassidy v. the state of California, and the consolidated case.”

“What’s there to argue about? It’s not like you gave me a fucking attorney or anything.”

Justice Myers winced, recoiling just a little behind the bench. The vitriol in the young woman’s voice sliced through the musty courtroom air, leaving nary but a dull silence.

The judge pushed his glasses up the bridge of his nose, his face already beginning to feel slick with sweat. He’d dealt with some real shit before in this court room. He’d seen liars, thieves, fanatics, murderers, enemies of the state even. Hell, he’d seen someone dragged through these doors because he beat his wife to death with their fucking dog. But never, ever in his career, had someone talked back to him like that. For christ's sake, he was the judge! They should be -

“Come on porky, what’s holding you? Sooner we get this shindig rolling, the sooner we can all go home.”

Maybe it was because she was an ex-Navy SEAL. Or maybe it was just because she seemed really, really pissed off. It was probably both. But for once, Justice Myers felt a little stirring in the back of his mind. Fear. He felt vulnerable. Like at any moment, the girl could just walk up to him and tap him on the shoulder. Realizing the rest of the court was waiting on him, he cleared his voice and continued. Now was not the time to lose it. He needed to get a grip.

“You are aware of the charges, correct?”

“I dunno. No one told me jack. Although if I were to guess, I’m pretty sure this has something to dow with that little snafu at the embassy recently, right?”

“That is correct.”

“Alright, I did it.”

“So you’re confessing to the mass murder of fifty-three United States citizens?”

“Sure, why the hell not? Not like you’re going to listen to anything I say.”

“You do realize the severity of the sentence? You’ll most likely be executed, and even if you aren’t you’ll be sent to prison for what will assuredly be the rest of your natural life. Are you sure you just want to give in so easily?”

“Whoa whoa whoa, give in? I think we have a little misunderstanding here judge. I’m not giving in to shit.”

The honorable judge snapped to attention. The guard standing to the left of the young twenty-something gave her a rough nudge with the butt of his gun. She didn’t resist, although it’s not like she could have wearing that straightjacket. She just smiled. That sick, knowing little smile. For a second time, he cleared his voice.

“I don’t see how you have much of a choice in the matter, Miss Cassidy. As I recall, I hold authority over this court, not you.”

“Oh you fat, silly old thing. You just don’t get it do you? You think guards and a straightjacket will be enough to keep me from just waltzing out of here? It's a joke. Like trying to arrest Superman with a Chinese finger trap.”

That was when it became clear to Justice Myers that today was probably a good day to have had stayed at home. The girl reached over, leaning uncomfortably close to the guard on her right. Her nose practically buried in the blushing young man’s sleeve, she took a deep whiff.

“Well, someone certainly smells good. Nice cologne. Not really sure how it’s going to taste, though.”

Without the slightest warning, she just pushed right up to the guard’s neck and bit down. Hard. The court room went dead silent. There was no panic, no chaos. Everything was still, petrified. The only sound throughout the whole room was a thick crunching, followed by a quick snap and a wet pop. Without even a scream or a plea, the guard slumped to the floor.

The woman, the young raven haired woman with more rings around her eyes than raccoon, licked her chops. Blood dripped from the tips of her teeth. Her straightjacket clinked, and her arms became free. The remaining guard propped his rifle up against his shoulder and took aim, but that was far as he got. She slammed into him headfirst, knocking him to the ground, and his fate became the same as the first.

No one dared move a muscle. Slowly, she got up. She wormed her way out of the straightjacket, casting it aside like an itchy old sweater. Hopping over the bar, she made her way to bench.

“Well now, looks like you and I are going to have a little chat.”

“If you want me to release you, forget it. You just murdered two men in cold blood.”

“Oh? Looks like someone finally grew some stones. But there’s really no need. Look, they’re just fine.”

And it was as she said. They rose. They were in obvious pain, and bleeding like the Dickens, but they rose. Like puppets on a string.

“Now then, as I was saying. All I want is to chat.”

Alright, let's tear it apart.

edited 11th Sep '11 9:15:57 PM by KSPAM

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#2: Sep 12th 2011 at 7:20:39 AM

I'm assuming Cassidy is the defendant. Then the case would be called "State of California vs. Cassidy."

I'm also assuming there would be a lot of public interest in this case. The judge might have ordered the courtroom closed (no cameras), but there should be a lot of people there either way. I don't get a sense of how many people are there. On a related note, if this defendant is obviously dangerous (and with 53 victims, I'd say Yes), wouldn't there be more than two guards? Again, I'd establish that the guards are there before they become important, and show how they feel about this assignment.

This one's more a judgment call. I'd start with a more confident judge. He'll believe that he's seen everything, that he's always in control, despite anything he's heard about this defendant. He'll be quick to call for order, i.e. keep the defendant quiet. He'll lecture her about the power of the state, the need for the rule of law, etc. The main conflict in this scene is between the judge and Cassidy, so you want him to oppose her as strongly as possible, to start from the most divergent position. That way her disdain for mortals seems more shocking, and the judge's distress is more pronounced.

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#3: Sep 12th 2011 at 7:26:00 AM

Yeah, I just wrote this up like last night, so it could definitely use more attention to detail. The judge's flakiness is one such thing to work on, hence why this scene needs to drag on a little longer (so I can show him becoming more and more unnerved).

This story is supposed to be a somewhat-not-sure-if-it's-really Deconstruction of superhumans, so I wanted to establish right off that the world order is changing.

edited 12th Sep '11 7:26:12 AM by KSPAM

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alethiophile Shadowed Philosopher from Ëa Since: Nov, 2009
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#4: Sep 12th 2011 at 7:30:52 AM

It seems good enough, at least on the courtroom-proceedings front. Also good general writing, which is rare enough on the Internet to be worth commenting on.

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Ronka87 Maid of Win from the mouth of madness. Since: Jun, 2009
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#5: Sep 12th 2011 at 7:43:31 AM

Well, first off, your defendant wouldn't get away with calling the judge "porky" or using swear words in court— they would instantly be held in contempt of court, which means they'd have an additional criminal charge added to their file; they would be fined or imprisoned. If they continued to be belligerent, the court might adjourn for the day. Your scene would not go on as long as it does.

Court is a lot less conversational than this. It's very formulaic and bureaucratic; there's almost a script to follow. I suggest reading some court transcripts to get a sense of the language; you can Google some. Also, why was she not given an attorney? If they're bothering with a trial, they should at least have provided her with one. She can refuse the attorney and defend herself, but it doesn't make sense for her to have never been given one. Here's a short guide on the court process, from arrest to appeal—it might help with some of the court formula.

I gotta say, on whole, I don't buy the scene. It goes by too quickly to be a real court process and it's too easy for the woman to get control of the situation. I'm getting a sense of The Worf Effect from the judge— you're making the defendant look cooler by making the judge seem weak. You can obviously have weak judges, but it's a bit cheap here. Remember the old advice about a hero being as good as his villain? It works with Villain Protagonists too— you should make your antagonists competent, because it's more satisfying when the protagonist beats them.

Another writing thing: Cut out senses/feels. Like, "Justice Myers felt a little stirring in the back of his mind. Fear. He felt vulnerable. Like at any moment, the girl could just walk up to him and tap him on the shoulder." It's far too blunt— it's telling masquerading as showing. If you want to give the impression she's dangerous, find another way to show it. How does she hold herself? How is she different from any other defendant?

edited 12th Sep '11 7:46:00 AM by Ronka87

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#6: Sep 12th 2011 at 10:41:02 AM

[up] Like I said, I wanted to drag this scene out, make the judge lose his shit less quickly. And this trial is obviously rigged, the fact they're having one at all is pretty much just for show.

Can I access court transcripts without paying a fine or anything? 'Cause some extra material would definitely help lengthen and strengthen this scene.

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#7: Sep 12th 2011 at 11:20:42 AM

Take part of a day and go watch a court in session. Transcripts are better than nothing, but better still is seeing it. The transcripts won't include movements and tone of voice. All but the most sensational cases will be held in open court.

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#8: Sep 12th 2011 at 1:26:16 PM

Going to court is definitely good experience. Failing that, you can try trial videos. Here's one of an actual murder trial, from jury selection to sentencing. For most of it, not a lot is happening— and there's 48 days of it. You don't have to watch the whole thing, though— day 13 is when the trial starts, you can get most of the opening script from there.

edited 12th Sep '11 1:27:52 PM by Ronka87

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#9: Sep 13th 2011 at 4:46:17 PM

I've done trials in British Columbia, but not jury trials, for what that is worth. Other than OJ, I've never seen an actual trial in California.

Judges will give a lot of leeway to unrepresented litigants but I don't know of any who would tolerate that level of disrespect.

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#10: Sep 13th 2011 at 7:35:49 PM

Try watching The People's Court next time it's on. I don't know if it'll help because small claims court doesn't play out the same way as the type of case you're writing, but it might be a good reference. Law & Order as well.

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#11: Sep 13th 2011 at 7:45:58 PM

[up]People's Court is probably a bad way to get a feel for it as it's significantly departed from actual courtrooms on purpose. Law & Order has a 50/50 chance of doing something wrong in any courtroom scene, but works hard to at least appear adherent to the formulas of courtroom behavior.

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#12: Sep 13th 2011 at 8:52:16 PM

People's Court isn't very accurate to Real Court in Many ways, but it is in one very important way: The judge is in charge. That's the biggest problem I have with the excerpt; in a courtroom, the judge is in charge.

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#13: Sep 13th 2011 at 9:22:48 PM

Yeah, but the issue from the excerpt is that the prisoner has superpowers and just doesn't care about the judge's authority. He can hold her in contempt all he wants; she ignores it. He can tell the bailiff to remove her, but she has superpowers.

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#14: Sep 13th 2011 at 9:59:32 PM

Pretty much this, although the judge being a total pushover is still something that needs rectifying.

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#15: Sep 13th 2011 at 11:09:23 PM

The judge is wimping out from the very start. That's the problem.

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#16: Sep 14th 2011 at 7:32:45 AM

Furthermore, if the defendant has superpowers and the court knows it, they would probably put extra safety measures in place to ensure her powers wouldn't be a problem. And if they don't have them, that leaves a huge Plot Hole— how did they arrest her in the first place? She's clearly unwilling, she doesn't want to be there, and she has no problem killing people. They had to have had some way to control/subdue her.

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#17: Sep 14th 2011 at 9:15:45 AM

Yeah, looking at from that angle, this scene just doesn't make that much sense. She could've gone willingly just to dick around with them a bit, but that's a pretty flimsy excuse. There are probably better ways I could do this, so I'm thinking I'll scrap the court idea.

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#18: Sep 14th 2011 at 9:23:36 AM

It depends on the past events. If she thought she was going to get a fair trial and intended to go along with it, but then realized that the trial was not going to be fair and she was just going to be shuffled off somewhere, then that could be a reason.

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#19: Sep 14th 2011 at 12:22:57 PM

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#20: Sep 16th 2011 at 12:48:52 PM

People's Court was great back in the Judge Wopner days before the entire genre of over-the-top "reality" shows came to the forefront. Law and Order is fairly good although there are still too many antics that would result in a mistrial ("the question is withdrawn", "the jury will disregard the last question/answer"). That's my perspective as a Canadian lawyer. The basic problem with tv shows or movies is that days, months or weeks is crammed into minutes. In a four-day trial (about 15 to 25 hours of testimony) you might get one or two "gotcha" moments. . . maybe.

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#21: Sep 19th 2011 at 3:39:30 AM

the peoples court is full of crazy antics. i watch all the morning court shows. bunch of idiots really lol.

on a related note, by grandpa has to report for jury duty tomorrow.

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#22: Sep 20th 2011 at 9:22:09 AM

EDIT: Nevermind. Already been addressed.

edited 20th Sep '11 9:22:41 AM by Specialist290

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