Unintuitive name, best names taken by works: Robbing The Crusoe

It took me some time to find a trope about people being shipwrecked, Shipwrecked On An Island, and Cast Away on islands. I kept running into work pages and a roleplay game. I eventually found Robbing the Crusoe, but I never would have thought to search for it.

As a minimum, I would suggest that all those works be moved to their respective namespace and have the Main/ pages be cleared up for disambiguation pages that can point the unwary searcher to the correct trope.

...it can't just be Shipwrecked? That's as generic as it gets; at that point, it wouldn't matter if a work takes it, because then they're just uncreative at making titles...

If there is support for a rename, that would work.

...What in the world?

How did anyone think this was a good name for this page?

Hell, even Robinson Crusoe Plot would be better. For crying out loud, just Robinson Crusoe would be better (I'm not suggesting that as a rename, I'm just saying).

I guess it would make sense if it was about pirates, say, boarding enemy vessels. But for shipwrecked people? That's just bad...

Support rename.

I think Shipwrecked might be a work though.

Shipwrecked Plot?

Shipwreck Plot makes more sense...

I like Shipwreck Plot. In fact, I like a lot of the suggestions here.

Shipwrecked seems fine, thought the most prominent recent example was a plane wreck.

nthing Shipwreck Plot

I'm cool with Shipwrecked or Shipwrecked Plot. At a minimum, Shipwrecked should be a redirect to this. Another good word is Marooned. Unfortuantly that is taken by work. We could always do Marooned on a Deserted Island, or simply Marooned on an Island.

We might also consider expanding this to non-island examples, such as can be found in Brian's Saga, where the most well known of the books (Hatchet) has him marooned in the Wild Wilderness of Canada because of a plan wreck.

It took me a while, but I think I finally figured it out: the name refers to writers who steal the plot from Robinson Crusoe.

Support either a rename, or, at a bare minimum, adding useful redirects.

I think Shipwrecked Plot is better than Shipwreck Plot, because the latter sounds like it's about the wreck, not the aftermath. Marooned on an Island is also excellent. Robinson Crusoe Plot might make a good redirect, but I don't like it as the main name.

Still worth discussing how broad it should be: in addition to the Marooned in the Wilderness scenario that a couple of people have mentioned, there's also the common SF version, Marooned On A Planet (which is basically the same thing Recycled IN SPACE!).

edited 8th Sep '11 1:03:05 PM by Xtifr

Given it is basically copying Robinson Crusoe in varying degrees of obviousness, I don't see any need for a rename. Clear up the description, some work on the crosswicking (actually scratch that bit, its pretty well cross-linked, can't see how anyone reading anything brought up in even a half-hearted search would bring you to a cross-linked page, two steps to find it at most), and maybe a redirect for those of the hard of searching.

edited 8th Sep '11 1:06:39 PM by CrypticMirror

There is now a single proposition crowner for this trope here. Still, if you think it may be a bit early for a crowner, feel free to tell me that.

edited 8th Sep '11 1:04:39 PM by LouieW

Considering that "Shipwrecked" has been the common term for this since the late 1400's (over 600 years!) I'd say that we have a clear case of the work being named for the term, not the other way around, and the work should be moved to the appropriate namespace so that the trope can have its real name.

"Marooned" dates back to 1724; "Castaway" is from 1799. Neither of these should be shoved aside for a recent work.

Cryptic Mirror, it may be the plot of Robinson Crusoe, but it has nothing to do with Robbing the anything. It's a tortured pun simply for the sake of the pun, and since "robbing" is a common verb on its own that means something very different, it's misleading as well; I read the name and assumed that it had something to do with interlopers of some nature raiding the camp of a shipwreck victim.

edited 8th Sep '11 1:12:33 PM by Madrugada

Marrooned, Shipwrecked, and Castaway are all ok on their own, but they're better with Plot at the end. It gives a better view of what the trope is.

Shipwrecked Plot or Marooned Plot sounds like you are describing a plot that is somehow broken or messed up.

My idea would be that, given we have no trope at present for people being marooned in places other than islands, we expand this to include not just islands and planets. The basic idea of a struggle for survival far from civilization isn't that different just because it is on an island.

Therefore, the name could be: Marooned in the Wilderness Redirectes could be: Shipwrecked, Marooned on an Island, Marooned On A Planet, and of course the current trope title.

Shipwrecked is a good redirect, but by itself or with "Plot" added it needlessly excludes plane crashes and other ways of ending up lost in the wilderness.

edited 8th Sep '11 1:41:39 PM by Auxdarastrix

As a temporary fix, I'm turning Shipwrecked into a redirect

Can we call this one yet?

Given that TRS keeps telling me it isn't accepting new threads, I'm trying to get some of these closed ASAP.

If we call this one, I'd like to see a vote on...

A) Keep the current defintion of the trope and rename appropriately.

or

B) Expand the definition to also include non-island examples of people being stranded in the wilderness and forces to survive, and then rename appropriately.

I'd rather not lock the thread, since that would mean that we haven't finished the fix, and making a new thread to do so will have to wait for the number of open threads to drop below the threshold and hope that anyone remembers that it was unfinished.

Locked the single prop at 5:1 in favor of renaming.

Page action hooked with the suggestions Aux made. If there are other options anyone would like considered, add them to the crowner.

edited 14th Sep '11 9:49:35 PM by Madrugada

Yeah, I didn't mean lock the page already, I just meant move along to the next step so we can eventually get this locked.

Also, looks like I used the wrong word above (forces instead of forced) so I fixed that in the crowner.

edited 15th Sep '11 9:28:50 AM by Auxdarastrix

Guys! Guys! Robinsonade!

edited 23rd Sep '11 8:35:45 PM by MetaFour

If that's the proper name, let's use it.

I could get behind that as being one of the names. Whether it should be the main name or a redirect, I'm not sure.

So... are we ready to call the current crowner?

edited 23rd Sep '11 7:37:41 PM by Auxdarastrix