Philosophical survival of the fittest?

...not take them seriously isn't the right phrase. I would take them with the grain of salt that, exclusively speaking, their interpretation is approximately as equal as some random theologian's today (though he/she would probably be working of their interpretation, so...). Death of the Author works much better for the Bible than a conventional work of fiction...

edited 3rd Sep '11 8:25:18 PM by USAF713

I am now known as Flyboy.

Aon: True. :/

ᐅᖃᐅᓯᖅ ᐊᑕᐅᓯᖅ ᓈᒻᒪᔪᐃᑦᑐᖅ

You need to learn how to word your statements better then.

But remember to ALWAYS take your own views with a grain of salt. Never have the utmost confidence in yourself.

edited 3rd Sep '11 8:26:16 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah

It also works in that the authors are kind of actually dead and we can't ask them what the hell they meant like we usually can with fiction.

edited 3rd Sep '11 8:27:13 PM by Pykrete

And thus, writing is a dangerous technology. </Socrates>

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard

DELICIOUS SELF SKEPTICISM!

Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15 FimFiction account.

The level of philosophical feather-puffing going on here is comical.

Death of the Author doesn't mean I think my interpretation is any more right than these other people. It's probably not, considering they spend an inordinate amount of time studying the subject. My interpretation, however, is no less valid, so long as it does not contradict objective fact.

I didn't say anything because I thought it'd be obvious.

edited 3rd Sep '11 8:28:46 PM by USAF713

I am now known as Flyboy.

BE THE SKEPTIC. IT IS THE WAY TO BUDDHAHOOD.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah

You should see when the topic drifts to the problem of evil or free will...

WHICH IT WON’T, I WILL SEE THIS SHIT SHUT DOWN BEFORE THAT HAPPENS IN THIS THREAD!

Ahem…I mean…it’s really something…

edited 3rd Sep '11 8:30:50 PM by Justice4243

Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15 FimFiction account.

If we get to problem of evil again I am going to grab Bobby and flip the fuck out with him. Maybe we'll both go grimdark and murder everyone in the thread.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah

~quietly steps out of thread~

0_o;

I am now known as Flyboy.

It would be pretty hysterical if the world ended because a bunch of theology and philosophical debaters gave themselves up to the Old Ones over how sick to death they where over discussing certain topics…

In hindsight that is…probably not as funny as the world ending part is taking place.

edited 3rd Sep '11 8:37:45 PM by Justice4243

Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15 FimFiction account.

There is nothing wrong with the end of the world.

Anyway, back on topic. This one is not about to argue that Christianity is the only ideology intolerant to homosexuality. There is quite a big number of other ideologies doing the same, including secular ones. Which makes this one wonder - does anyone has any data about whether these are in decline as well?

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

As far as I can tell from local public schools, homophobic bullying is basically the only kind they bother calling anyone out on, though the school is usually still too spineless to do anything about it.

edited 3rd Sep '11 9:27:43 PM by Pykrete

Time is reporting Islam will continue to grow and the countries where Islam is predominate are amongst the most homophobic.

Admittedly, 19 years is kind of a long time to do this sort of projection. Still a pretty good indication that Islam is on the rise at the moment.

I'm not seeing any great data I can draw conclusions from any other country.

I did note that the South American countries are pretty religious◊ yet also grant some of the greatest freedoms to gays.

Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15 FimFiction account.

…OK After reading the article and data it’s drawing from I’m pretty convinced the author is living some sort of pipe dream and reading what he wants out of the article instead of really looking at the facts.

The article shows that 70% of Unaffiliated Christians support same-sex marriage while 24% are opposed (the rest supposedly had no opinion) , Catholics where 52% to 41% and Mainline protestants where 51% to 40%. Black Protestant groups where 34% to 60% and White evangelicals where 19% to 76%, no big surprises there, but these are much smaller groups compared to the first three mentioned.

Also the “high” gap in people who are pro gay marriage and those who are against is because the data is comparing 18-29 year olds to 65+. I think the idea that the younger generation is much more comfortable with gays and lesbians having the same rights than senior citizens is hardly a surprising fact.

The whole survey is here. The author cherry picked whatever they wanted to make their point and turned a blind eye to any suggestion that views of gays was softening within Christendom.

I’m not saying it’s a bad article per se, just that it’s intellectually bankrupt. Ok, I’m totally saying it’s a bad article. Survey is fascinating though.

Edit: On closer exception. The article actually links FIRST to a short version of report that covers the "anti-homosexuality attitudes are potentially harmful to the church" and none of the attitudes of Church goers themselves. So I can kinda see where they're coming from. Though the link to the FULL survey is still of that article. So I'm at a loss for why the author didn't skim that at least before drawing conclusions.

Edit: Edit: Haha, holy crap. Check page 17 of the full report. The larger American Christian groups boost a majority of members who think homosexuality is “not a sin”.

Edit: Edit: Edit: Page 22 is also very interesting.

edited 4th Sep '11 12:15:37 AM by Justice4243

Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15 FimFiction account.

"Which makes this one wonder - does anyone has any data about whether these are in decline as well?"

Most of those philosophies are so utterly insane that few people opt for them. Case in point for nazism.

In Islam's case, the stigma associated with the religion does make its growth stunted in the USA and several parts of Europe, but there is no doubt that the UK and several western countries have increasing muslim populations.

Considering how homophobic Islam is, if this is the religion that has ambitions of becoming stronger, chances are that very nasty conflicts are to come.

A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult

So what will the world be after same-sex marriage becomes legal in many nations?

Place your past in a book burn the pages let them cook.

A better place for tolerant people, and Hell for Lawful Stupid members of society.

A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult

The end of the world? That's what I've been hearing from some :/ From others, a great leap forward for equality. I'll go for the latter

edited 4th Sep '11 8:13:28 AM by PiccoloNo92

Oh? If homosexual marriage is legal, then Lawful people would have to accept it

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

They could be loyal to natural law rather than positive law.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard

Natural law? Man, I wish I had Cryptonomicon with me right now.

If you mean theological law, yeah, I think that is valid by D&D standards, but you'd still be an asshole by me.

edited 4th Sep '11 9:41:47 AM by DomaDoma

Hail Martin Septim!

That was uncalled for

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

And exactly who gets to say what counts as the "true" gospel message? Whatever it is, Christianity's popularity hasn't been doing that great a job promoting said "true" gospel message now, has it?

I say give up on organized religion, it was a waste of money and effort to begin with.

edited 4th Sep '11 10:16:31 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

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