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#1: Sep 1st 2011 at 7:34:09 AM

Direct-to-Video means that a movie or TV show is released on VHS or DVD first, without being shown in cinemas or on television. Nothing more, though connotations regarding quality have arisen.

Both the Direct-to-Video and Original Video Animation pages flat-out state that OVA is DTV except animated, and done well. Furthermore, the DTV page lists several animated movies in its example section.

Since OVA is quite clearly a specific type of DTV, I propose they be merged.

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#2: Sep 1st 2011 at 8:08:10 AM

I think "higher budget than normal" is a significant difference.

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#3: Sep 1st 2011 at 8:55:45 AM

The connotations alone are enough to keep these separate, I think. Say something is an OVA and people are likely to expect it to be good. DTV, however, is usually taken to mean "dreck".

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#4: Sep 1st 2011 at 9:18:34 AM

Yeah, from what I know of OVA, this is one of those rare cases where "Done Well" is actually an incredibly significant difference.

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#5: Sep 1st 2011 at 9:21:39 AM

An OVA may not actually be "done well", but the expectations that it will be are very high.

A DTV may be "done well", but the expectation that it won't be is very high.

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#6: Sep 1st 2011 at 1:42:02 PM

It's also objectively about the treatment compared to DTV. DTV tends to about the same budget and production values compared to TV shows, and sometimes even less. OVA tend to be higher budget and production than TV shows, even if not as much a films.

edited 1st Sep '11 1:42:27 PM by DragonQuestZ

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#7: Sep 2nd 2011 at 5:18:36 AM

Is the perception of "done well" enough to warrant a split, though? They're basically the same thing, only by calling a rabbit a smeerp (or changing the cultural context) one can manage the expectations of them, yes?

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#8: Sep 2nd 2011 at 8:36:45 AM

Also, DTV's (as the name implies) go straight to video/DVD sales for their initial release. OVA's can be broadcast via stations/channels for their initial run, then released on DVD later.

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#9: Sep 2nd 2011 at 10:44:50 AM

Again, it's not abut "done well". It's about "This is TV level production or less" versus "This is better than TV production".

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#10: Sep 2nd 2011 at 11:26:15 AM

OVA's can be broadcast via stations/channels for their initial run, then released on DVD later.

...Really? Huh. The current OVA description doesn't mention that.

edited 2nd Sep '11 11:27:22 AM by Embryon

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#11: Sep 2nd 2011 at 11:41:50 AM

Plus a lot of DTV films do that as well ("Sci-Fi Channel "Original" movies).

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#12: Sep 2nd 2011 at 2:21:45 PM

[up] So, in other words, DTV covers Made For TV Movies that eventually get released on video?

I was under the impression that DTV literally meant "direct to video": no TV broadcast, no theatre run, just video.

edited 2nd Sep '11 2:22:34 PM by Embryon

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#13: Sep 2nd 2011 at 2:26:50 PM

I wouldn't call a Sci-Fi original a DTV either. They're Made For Television. DTV is just that — skip the threaters, skip TV, go direct to the video store.

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#14: Oct 16th 2011 at 3:28:54 AM

Woah, didn't realize this was open. So, should this become a definition page or something? I'd say that it needs to either ''become' a full trope page, or have the examples worked into the description deleted.

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#15: Oct 16th 2011 at 4:14:22 AM

I Wouldn't say merge it does need work as the page is far broader than what an actual OVA is [1]

Also it needs examples and transformed into an Index.. there are 27 OADs coming out this season alone like Gundam Unicorn ep 4 and Hakuouki Hekketsuroku OVA Series Toudou Chapter, Rio Rainbow Gate OAV, Deadman Wonderland OVA, Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni Kira: file.03, Kiss X Sis OAD Ep. 6 (Which is completely different than Kiss X Sis TV series) etc. (And a few of them air on TV)

Legend Of The Galactic Heroes... 150+ episode OVA.

edited 16th Oct '11 5:34:53 AM by Raso

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#16: Oct 16th 2011 at 5:18:32 AM

I think the main difference is that DTV implies it wasn't good enough for theaters, while OVA implies it's too good for TV. One's a downgrade from a high budget "real" movie, while the other's an upgrade from low budget weekly television.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#17: Oct 16th 2011 at 9:44:57 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I also say we make this a list, or index.

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