When did Christianity become "White"?

@Cojuanco: Good point. It's also probably wise to point out that various countries depict their religious icons as being the predominant ethnicity of the region.

It also happened in various places in Europe, for example the Black Madonnas that crop up from time to time.

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It's cool, I was responding to The Earth Sheep and made some points regarding treatment of Christianity in the Qur'an so I can see where the confusion is.

If I where to come up with a SECULAR response for what the Qur'an was a response to (the non-Secular one is, of course, Gabriel), I'd say it was more regional in a very broad sense based upon the behavior of pretty much everyone in the area regardless of religion with idolaters seemingly being the greatest offenders.

Though, my studies in the Islam are pretty shallow compared to Christianity and Far-East-Asian religions, so I'd definitely would research that hypothesis before committing to it.

edited 30th Aug '11 10:17:28 PM by Justice4243

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It happened during the dark ages when the church took over the European countrys

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Islam is technically pro C Hristian. They're both people of the book and believe in one god.

Hindus, on the other hand, violate the first rule of Islam.

If you don't like a single Frank Ocean song, you have no soul.

Not true.

(Insert passionate debate on the differences between Christianity and Islam, and the fundamental differences in belief that make the two incompatible here)

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What the Qur’an says about Christians and Jews actually depends on which part of the Qur’an you’re reading. The Other Wiki has mostly positive things to say. Though, there are some not so great passages as well. This is a more balanced look at all the passages.

Sura 3:110 is the worst one I’ve come across in my reading]]. Though, It goes on to reiterate that those (including “people of the book”) who have faith in Allah on the Day of Judgment (this comes up a lot). The “most of them are perverted transgressors” might have a lot to do with the Jews and Christians in the area Muhammad was at the time. It seems to me that they spent a lot of time arguing with the Muslims in the area.

The Hadiths have some passages regarding Jews and Christians as well that are far from friendly. Though WHICH Hadiths are “canon” is a matter of debate between the sects. Also the worst verse that comes to my mind is in the second book of the Sunni collections (if memory serves). My wife’s father (practicing Jordanian Muslim) explained to her that most Muslims adhere to the first book and confirmed that only the strictest try anything past that. My wife also attended a Muslim school for a bit where they did three Hadiths and confirmed they were pretty insufferable.

So, if we want to go back to what the religions have in common, they all seem to have members who are considered extremists even by standards set in their own religion.

Eh, it's more that they're pro-Christians and less pro-Christian canon. Or rather, think Christians have a book that will get them into Heaven, but disagree on many details regarding Christ and other parts.

edited 31st Aug '11 9:15:26 AM by Justice4243

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cant change the fact that all 3 worship the same god, they just call him by different names

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Yes and no. Christianity also adds Christ and the Holy Spirit.

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the Dissociative Identity Disorder of god didn't come in until later, The Messiah was original suppose to be like an avatar as described in Hinduism.

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I'm in the "pro" same God camp...especially in that they're all Abrahamic religions.

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They're the same God if He's taken to be a real, specific person. The interpretations differ, but basically they're the same.

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Well "entity" not "person" per se, but I think that is the idea.

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Right. Christianity = one God, but three persons, sorry.

Or actually that's the doctrine of the Trinity, but you know what I meant.

edited 31st Aug '11 12:35:31 PM by BobbyG

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I prefer character as to make people know I'm studying a (from my POV) a fictional character.

^ it's call DID

edited 31st Aug '11 12:37:31 PM by vanthebaron

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vanthebaron, you seem to be less interested in having reasonable discussions and more interested in establishing you're an anti-thiest.

We get it, but it's not adding anything to the conversation.

edited 31st Aug '11 12:54:02 PM by Justice4243

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we get on a side topic of how we analyze "god" so whatever, think what you want

BACK ON TOPIC. Christianity became "white" starting it the dark ages when the church controlled much of Europe, but it got "whiter" when politicians started using religion to get elected.

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Christianity != How things appear to work in America.

And even in America, we have black churches

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most republican politicians now are Christan's, and most of them are white. just noticed how racist this topic sounds if you haven't read it...whatever

edited 31st Aug '11 1:20:01 PM by vanthebaron

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That doesn't mean it got "whiter" that means a bunch of white Christians got into politics.

And most politicians are America are Christian anyway, Republics are just more vocal about it.

At this point, we've had many tropers dispense with the, albeit probably unintentional, loaded question in the topic and answer "Is Christianity "white" " With many signs pointing to "no" considering how wide spread it is and even the different races of the people who practice it in predominantly white countries.

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So to address the OP directly. The idea of a “white Christian culture” was probably something of a division racists made up so they can create some sort of validity to their views. It pops up occasionally from the “Bible belt”, but certainly isn’t a view the mainline sects adhere to.

edited 31st Aug '11 1:29:51 PM by Justice4243

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IIRC Islam has as dogma that God has no human qualities or something like that. I don't know how consistent that is with the gods from the other A Rs.

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You understand that Allah is just another name for the jewish Yawah which is just another name for christain god, right

edited 31st Aug '11 3:35:27 PM by vanthebaron

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That's like...the opposite of true. It's more he has the most of the best qualities, which is pretty universal across all three religions.

edited 31st Aug '11 3:45:43 PM by Justice4243

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IIRC, Islam teaches that you can reflect upon God's acts but not upon His nature, so speculating about the details probably isn't allowed.

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No, No, No, No, No, No, No, in the name of everything I stand for, No. Yes, it is true that the literal definition of "Allah" is God. But if I walk up to anyone who is muslim, and say "Do you follow Allah", they will say "Yes, I do." And If I walk up to any Jew, and say "Do you follow Allah", they will say "No, I follow YHWH." And If I walk up to any Christian, and I say "Do you follow Allah?", They will say "No, I follow Jesus".

Allah is a impersonal, unknowable God who allows people into heaven based on works. He never descended to earth as a man, and he never died for our sins. Muhammad is his final prophet.

The God of Christianity is an loving, forgiving God who allows people into heaven based on faith and forgiveness. He came to earth and died for our sins. Muhammad was not a prophet.

Please, please don't go around saying that I worship the same God as Muslims do. I have a feeling most of them will feel the same way.

edited 31st Aug '11 4:03:31 PM by Jimmmyman10

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