Kamen Rider: General Thread

So there we are, did the nuke. Now we just have to wait for someone to get offended.

Someone already is.

I reverted his revert and sent him a message to come here to discuss. The consensus was to cut it off at Fourze, right? The way I see it, we have to draw the line somewhere and Fourze is very clearly the best place to do that.

edited 7th Oct '15 8:18:27 PM by Sedirex

Up to Fourze is where it was actually intended. Everything after that is "well, they didn't actually intend to continue the theme, but let's find ways it might still fit anyway." Fridge Logic doesn't necessarily have to be intended by the creators, does it?

I still don't understand why this upsets so many people. Why is it so bad that people enjoy looking for things? It's like the hidden Mickeys.

Because when you start listing every single use or possible reference to a number of gets silly.

Also, if you'd actually looked you'd see I took it down from all four pages, not just Ghost.

edited 8th Oct '15 12:51:44 AM by Deadbeatloser22

In my defense at the time of my edit you had only done the Ghost one. Also I have an idea, what if we made "just for fun" pages for the number scheme theories. Would that make all sides happy?

I don't understand why it needs to be a thing. And it just seems to be turning into People Sit On Chairs with how it's being applied, since it went from "number of belt gimmicks" to "things about the belt" (Wizard and Gaim) to "things in the background and other miscellanea" (Drive and Ghost).

edited 8th Oct '15 8:03:41 AM by Deadbeatloser22

Wizard was fine as the people looking at that were generally still looking at the belt. Gaim was really stretching it as the lockseed was not part of the belt itself, but you can see how they would think that. With Drive, it was explained as the turned around shift car, but one would be hard pressed to say that that looks like a "7". If you have to look hard to see something that's not there, it's not there.

But with Drive it was also stuff like "there are seven positions on a six-speed transmission" (except Tridoron is an automatic").

The funniest one I heard for Drive was "The bu kana in the logo looks like a 7." I guess Double was #7 too. And Kabuto. Anyway I'm not opposed to creating JustForFun/KamenRider to consolidate all the number theories for shows after Fourze, but I'd be concerned about how discoverable it would be. We may also want to go to Ask The Tropers to see if that's an acceptable use of the namespace since looking through the Just for Fun index it appears that some of the individual work pages have been nuked.

edited 8th Oct '15 11:10:13 AM by Sedirex

So guys, I've been thinking... Toei missed an opportunity for a crossover.

With what? Kamen Rider Drive and Kikaider.

Yes, the latter had one with Gaim, but as cool as it is, it doesn't fit well. With Drive, however, it's goddamn perfect.

Oh no, I'm not talking about the REBOOT version, I'm talking Kikaider in general.

I could talk all day about it, but comparing the heroes may be better. I'm sure most of you have seen the anime and OVA, so I won't go into details. There will be talks of the Showa Toku version, though.

Jiro and Shinnosuke would be best buddies. Ichiro/Kikaider 01 would be rivals with Gou. Hell, he would be resentful against the Kikaiders when they first met, with Ichiro being as confronting as Gou about them being machines.

Rei/Kikaider 00 and Chase would bond due to the fact that they're machines who can't be emotional, but trying to understand it.

In fact, if the Kikaiders were there, they could teach a few things to Gou about how wrong and childish his view of "All Roidmudes are evil." earlier.

Only seen a little bit of the old TV Show, but yes, Live Action Jiro seems like he would be really fun to hang out with.

I went ahead and decided to centralize the number theories over in the WMG page at Kamen Rider. I know it's not quite kosher to add something right at the top but I really want it to be easily seen so that people who are into that stuff can find it and don't put it elsewhere. I just put the most convincing arguments I've heard (except for Drive- I haven't heard a convincing argument there), but feel free to Fan Wank whatever you like there or de-snark my examples. Hopefully this is the end of this whole thing and we can go back to talking about the fun side of our karate bug men.

Finally gotten to watching Ghost.

"Your soul is now inside this eyecon!"

Oh boy, it's more madoka than I expected.

Expect the anti-grimderp crowds to go "IT'S NOT MADOKA! IT'S NOT GRIMDEEEEERRRRRP!"

"What about the Ganma killing people?"

"NOT GRIMDEEEEEERRRRRRP!!!"

What about Gaim?

"IT'S A GRIMDERP SHOW THAT MUST DIE A FIERY PAINFUL DEATH!"

"But it has an optimistic endin-"

"FUCK YOU! THE SHOW HAS UNLIKABLE CHARACTERS AND MUST DESERVE TO DIE!"

"So... characters like the quirky chef?"

"{rage face}"

Gaim wasn't pointlessly Grim-derp.

It went places that most other series either never fully went to before or never even tried (God, that first fight Kouta had with that first Invess. Never has Harsher in Hindsight been more apparent), but it all had an end game, and it all meant something.

Plus, it's one of the few series where I know nobody will come back to it and undo everything that's happened (in a bad way, since Movie Wars actually brought Kouta and Mai back to Earth, and made Takatora a Rider again), as oppose to say, the Madoka movie (which I don't think he actually wrote, but I can't quite recall).

He did write Rebellion story. And that's the only thing that fans will agree on.

Whether it was executive meddling or something to get out of his writer's block is something that will be endlessly debated upon.

Damn him.

I curse him, his children, and his children's children.

Yeah, while it has been somewhat overhyped Gaim was mostly dark in a good way. I dislike a few things, like how the story treated Marika and how everyone just conveniently lost their powers near the end (all that fighting and your driver only breaks when things get climatic? Sure...) but it did some cool things too and did crucially end on hope.

Yeah. I'm not sure if it was Urobuchi who decided on the drivers breaking or not, but I question that as well, considering the Movie Wars and all.

The same with the Marika thing. While I've gone after him over it, I don't know how much of it was his call (though would executives insist on giving her no role beyond support man man), so I can't say if it's his fault.

That being said, it is annoying.

Most of it was his call, since he was the head writer and was the main writer of mostly every episode.

Well, then, I'm guessing he's the reason the Movie Wars Movie didn't seem to fit in with the series at all then?

Or did someone else write that?