I was a bit shocked with the sudden outburst of antisemitism though, TV Tropes has been one of the few places I've been that don't have Jewish and Ethnic Jews posters being hog piled by antisemites or deal with casual antisemitism.
Inter arma enim silent legesfor what I can graps, it was less hate speech and moré typical conspiracy theory, i have seen my share to time to time.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Antisemitism and conspiracy theories usually go hand to hand.
Inter arma enim silent legesThe irony in this case being the Chavism is quite antisemitic itself. Oh, they'll try to pretend they aren't, but anyone can see their loyalties lie more with the extremist Islamism. I suspect they'd openly express sympathies for ISIS and Bokko Haram or however it's spelled and paint them as opressed victims lashing out in selfdefense if only they thought they could get away with it.
edited 21st Aug '16 7:47:34 AM by NapoleonDeCheese
This is the problem with having a Jewish Heritage, more often than not we're despised by both right and left for similar reasons.
Inter arma enim silent legesDo we have an antisemitism thread? this is a very interesting conversation, where I may have some things to say, but I think it may be a bit off-topic.
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVIt's still on topic if we talk about the Antisemitism of the regime, but otherwise, yeah, there are many other tangents better fitting this thread.
and other times is people who should know better rather than thin velied hate.
Anyway about the post in spanish is in part because nobody pay to much deal to venezuela and because is a venezuelan issue more than anything so it a lot to certain degree of freedom.
And with antisemitism in the regime....I havent see much of it, unless you consider Mario silva but that guy is super troll
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"It's definitely there, but I've always felt it was more relegated to the more extreme of chavism (not just Mario Silva, but the conspiranoid side that he represents).
And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!Suffice to say, anytime there's some conflict between Israel and any Islamic faction, the regime will always support the latter no matter what, and if Israel is on the losing side the regime will try to spin it around so they still come off as the bad guys.
It's more noticeable when you watch some Telesur, or Walter 'Dossier' Martinez (the 'disponga usted de las camaras, señor director' eyepatch guy) although to be fair I don't know if that show is still in the air.
edited 21st Aug '16 12:17:39 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
It is, or at least it was not long ago.
You can be against Israel and not be antisemitic, though, especially if your foreign policy is to be on the side The Empire is not on, always, all the time. Although there's something to be said about how the reds always paint it as something involving 'zionism'.
Though I'm reminded of the alleged ties between the govt. and Hezbollah, depending on how true that is, that'd be pretty damning.
And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!Today is the day. If you can, GO!
The regime has become more repressive against the guys of Popular Will recently huh?
The march in Caracas was wonderful, still, me and a lot of people are getting tired of being pulled around like this without a clear strategy. I've personally went out of my way to defend Venezuelans but if by the end of the year this isn't solved I will honestly give up.
The history of light and shadow will be written in blood. Loser! you only got one rupee... You aren't very lucky.Things turned out marvellously, but as usual there's the question: now what?
And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!Venezuelan Jews Hoping for Economic, Regime Change
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Venezuela’s Jewish community has found itself at the center of a new battle following the economic crisis that’s beset the South American country. Harassment, emigration and a sense of hopelessness are just some of the issues facing its members. There’s not much left of the so-called Bolivarian Revolution — a socialist political process that began in 1999, headed by then-President Hugo Chávez.
Endless food lines, a severe shortage of basic goods and an annual inflation rate estimated at 160 percent became the standard image of a country long considered a “petrostate.” But with the price of oil as low as $35 a barrel recently, it’s long been on its way to total collapse.
Inside a country of over 33 million people, there’s a small Jewish community sporting less than 10,000 members. But since the emergence of the so-called “Chavismo” at the end of the 1990s, the number of Jews has fallen dramatically, with members opting to pack their bags and leave.
“The Jewish community was reduced by more than half, but not because of anti-Semitism,” Venezuelan psychoanalyst and journalist Fernando Yurman tells Haaretz.
Forty years ago, Yurman — now 71 — was a left-wing activist against the military junta in Argentina. But shortly after the 1976 coup, he fled to the Venezuelan capital, Caracas, where he has lived most of his life.
“The Venezuelans are not anti-Semitic at all,” he states. “What they do have is a government that, as a result of geopolitical concerns and probably legitimate criticism against Israel, unleashed a very confused thing that mixed it all up. It’s a left that became fascisized,” he says.
A while back, Yurman was booked in for surgery at a Venezuelan hospital. However, it was then forced to cancel the operation due to a lack of medical supplies. Shortly afterward, Yurman bought another one-way ticket, this time bound for the Promised Land.
“There’s nothing especially aimed against the Jews there, nor fear of pogroms. The fear [Jews] have is the same one as shared by everyone else: It is a very repressive and violent government,” he says. Yurman rejects any descriptions that depict the Jewish community as an elite opposition group. “The whole of society is anti-Chavista,” he says.
Rabbi Pynchas Brener, 85, served as Venezuela’s chief rabbi for more than 40 years. He knows the Caribbean country and its people very well, having also been present during the days before the Bolivarian Revolution.
Brener concurs that the Jewish community is facing the same socioeconomic problems as the rest of the country: Business difficulties and a forex shortage that’s hurting imports. “The Venezuelan people always had its doors open, long before the Jews [arrived]. I was there a month ago, having breakfast at my son’s place with the Venezuelan cardinal, the apostolic nuncio and the president of the Venezuelan Episcopal Conference,” Brener says, by telephone from the United States. “The relationship could not be better and I never felt one drop of anti-Semitism,” he says. However, he also recognizes the Venezuelan government’s extreme anti-Israeli attitude, “which ‘splashes’ on the Jewish community,” he says.
According to the rabbi, local Jews are against the government because they are part of the middle class. However, Brener also recalls a detail that many prefer to forget regarding Chávez’s early days in power. “A lot of the Jews thought a military man will bring order, so they supported him — including some very important businessmen I know,” he says.
The taking of Caracas
With the people calling for a referendum and the ouster of President Nicolas Maduro, opposition parties are preparing themselves for another round of massive protests in the country’s capital.
“They will know the true revolution,” warned lawmaker and vice president of the ruling United Socialist Party, Diosdado Cabello, during a press conference last Monday. Meanwhile, the arrangements continue, despite fears of clashes between the two sides. Paulina Gamus, 79, is a Jewish political figure who worked as lawmaker and senator for the Democratic Action party.
She retired from politics shortly after the heavy electoral defeat against Chávez in 1998, who claimed 56.2 percent of the vote.
Although she is critical of the current government, Gamus admits there is one thing in Maduro’s favor: “He has been much less violent and aggressive against the Jews and Israel than his predecessor.”
Like her fellow citizens, Gamus rejects the existence of an anti-Semitic culture in Venezuela. She says she “never felt discriminated against for being Jewish, nor a woman. The people have more important things to think about.”
The Jewish community in Venezuela undoubtedly shares the same fate as the rest of society there. Their difficulties are economic and related to a general shortage of goods, a problem affecting all of the country.
Despite that, it’s indisputable that the community’s numbers have fallen by half since the arrival of Chávez and Maduro, the latter in office since 2013. And diplomatic relations between Venezuela and Israel reached a low point following Chávez’s decision to expel the Israeli ambassador in Caracas following Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, in the winter of 2008-2009. Since 2009, there has been no official Israeli representation there.
Yigal Palmor, director of public affairs and communications at the Jewish Agency for Israel, denied that a large wave of Jews had immigrated to Israel as a result of the situation in Venezuela.
He argues that many of them prefer other locations closer to their homeland. “I don’t see a dramatic rise,” he says. “The numbers are small.”
Haim Stein, a 64-year-old biologist from Caracas, expresses a pessimistic view regarding the future of Jews in the Latin American country. “If there is not a change of government in the short term, it is a community in risk of extinction,” he warns. “Only the oldest and most marginal will stay — or those who see emigration as a worst option.”
Recently there's been a lot of short blackouts in Zulia. Huh, maybe It's too much to ask but I would hate for the controlled blackouts to return... Not only did my computer got fried last time I can't properly study without internet access.
Edit: SEBIN took away Mayor Delson Guarate (Aragua) and oh Lester Toledo has a detention order I think?
As usual, we can only sit on our asses.
edited 2nd Sep '16 9:05:53 AM by The_Masked_Keaton
The history of light and shadow will be written in blood. Loser! you only got one rupee... You aren't very lucky.Well, the martch have also put even more the red into a corner since they cant use "look is a violent takeover" anymore, in fact Allup was giving a interview dispeling all that as lie and hipocracy coming for goverment who glorious leader TRY a coup years ago
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Then again, I don't think we can get out of this one without the military.
The history of light and shadow will be written in blood. Loser! you only got one rupee... You aren't very lucky.There have been many peaceful marches from the opposition before, it never stops the government from using the 'oppositers are violent!' defense.
But a)none this big and b) it lose their efectiveness less and less, it corner even more the red as they are losing whatever damn suport they have.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Speaking of the military I'm kind of worried about all the drug problem...
If we get rid Maduro, I actually see it plausible getting better economically very fast, but we will most likely face them as guerrilla later.
It will be the test of fire for whoever comes next. I'm not a personal fan of Leopoldo because I see him as too much of a Caudillo but if he cleans the FAN and gets rid of the drug dealers I will built a statue in his honor.
The history of light and shadow will be written in blood. Loser! you only got one rupee... You aren't very lucky.
Bounces can be reversed, but as a matter of fact antisemitic hate speech is hard to walk back from.
Anyhow, no more posts on this issue please. OTC threads aren't about their participants. The "appeal to the moderation" thread in Wiki Talk is a better place for proxy appeals.
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