Venezuela and the Chavez Legacy

That's why Obama gets called a caudillo, he usually bypasses law and congress all together, besides a lot of people in the US are paranoid about any type of Socialism.

edited 31st May '16 7:50:19 AM by HibikiOni

By the way, about the OAS, I'm glad the reds are getting shown for what they are outside of borders, having everybody stay quiet and even support them made me feel disgusted.

It's all thanks to Ledezma, Leopoldo and the 2014 fight.

Apparently Maduro called a "National rebelion" against the OEA and told them to get their "democratic letter and shove it in that special place".

[totalitarianism intensifies]

Shouldn't he just have quit it already, then?

Ledezma got the Morris B Abram award, the international pressure is moving thanks to the prisoners.

No confío ya en el revocatorio, pa mi es sólo para llevar a primero justicia al poder en 2019. Mucho silencio sobre las elecciones de gobernadores.

Espero que acción democrática al final lleve a cabo la enmienda como dijo HRA.

I want a Max Duro.

Si Maduro sale del poder en los próximos meses por la vía constitucional que sea tendriamos a HRA como presidente antes de convocar elecciones, creo que eso es lo que quiere para darle protagonismo a AD.

Well, even if we get Mr. Nicky Mature out... what about the rest of the corrupt system? What about EL HAMPA SERIA NO CREO EN NADIE MARICO? And what about society in general?

I'm leaving whenever I can.

Indeed, I'm not that worried about the economy getting better that much because I'm sure we will recover quickly, but more about our "spiritual death" after watching people eating garbage like animals.

Latin America will never improve as long as people keep escaping instead of actually staying to improve these countries.

On a personal level, that's anyone's own decision to take and can't be faulted on them, but on a general level, you know I'm right. And you also know First World countries will become less and less accepting of foreigners as the current immigration trends from poorer countries rises.

Edit: And once Trump wins and THE WALL is up.

edited 3rd Jun '16 5:25:37 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Meh, it's really worth it? Most people just never learn. Our history should be a guide, it is instead a "boring waste of time"

Venezuela deserves better, although I think that all societies eventually die, even the first world countries. We can act humanely for the sake of our society (whatever it is) but ultimately we are better seeking our own happiness.

edited 3rd Jun '16 8:49:04 PM by HibikiOni

You know, I saw Juan Of The Dead just now.

...

Is kinda sad, I felt catharsis over it, thinking it took place in Venezuela sometimes.

edited 3rd Jun '16 11:04:04 PM by Tomodachi

Meh, it's really worth it?

It's okay if you think your own country isn't worth it.

But then, if by some miracle it ever recovers, please don't come back to enjoy the results of the efforts of those who stayed to do something.

A zombie outbreak in Venezuela would end up with us eating the zombies.

edited 4th Jun '16 7:08:58 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

to do what? let be honest here, stay here is mix of being stuborn, wating a damn mircale and sadomasoquism(and not of the good kind)

Because no society in the world ever got rid of a bad government by actually staying and acting as a whole instead of collectively fleeing with the tail between the legs, of course.

sadomasochism.

Venezuela has given me more than I've given her. I have dues to pay, so I'm not leaving (at least for the time being).

Speaking of last page's jacobinmag stuff, its seems they're changing their minds about the roblution. It's nothing special (mostly pointing out the obvious crisis and exculpating Mortadelo from it), but I find it interesting how they've changed their rhetoric from the days of saying state terrorism wasn't that bad a thing.

Venezuela isn't as hopeless as most people think, sure the crisis is bad but we should recover fairly quickly economically. I'm more worried about our moral crisis.

La razón por la que el Beelzebub de la montaña designó a Nicolás como su sucesor es para que todos creyeran que su gobierno fue mejor. Siento indignación al pensar que muchos Venezolanos piensan así.

I'd argue the moral crisis has been here even before Chavez arrived to the power. It's what allowed him to get there in the first place.

"Because no society in the world ever got rid of a bad government by actually staying and acting as a whole instead of collectively fleeing with the tail between the legs, of course. "

That would sound deep except for one think: we are not getting rid of bad goverment, the goverment is eating itself and we are just hopping a venezuela remain after that

"I'm more worried about our moral crisis. "

It depend of how we learn, we marco perez jimmez we learn about the danger of a totalitarian, with chavez we have to left out this romantism with political messiah that Latin america never let out

La razon es porque Chavez sabia que nadie mas podria dejar al chavismo estable, si Maduro es un patricio estrella de 3 cuarto de cojones pero era la mejor opcion que diosdado

El Venezolano no puede ser mas políticamente inmaduro de lo que ya es, quien venga después del Chavismo la tendrá bien difícil y no hay garantía de que no la caguemos otra vez, la gente cree que con salir a votar ya hay democracia sin importar nada mas. Para darte un ejemplo, nuestra economía siempre a vivido y a muerto gracias al petroleo y sin embargo hay profesores universitarios que se ponen a defender a un Perez Jimenez y al primer gobierno de Carlos Andres Perez. Para darte un ejemplo:

Sin embargo:

Sin embargo mucha gente dice que MPJ era buen administrador, cualquiera puede enmascarar crecimiento con deuda y chorro petrolero, los que votaron en el 98 por otro MPJ tenían razón son igualitos.

Petropopulismo parejo.

edited 7th Jun '16 7:33:09 AM by HibikiOni

I hope Chile is a more mature society...