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Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#1751: May 25th 2016 at 7:00:07 PM

Whenever I have doubts about Capriles being useful to the opposition I remember that he killed Chávez.

And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!
NEO from Qrrbrbirlbel Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
#1752: May 25th 2016 at 7:01:18 PM

I 'unno. Dilma and co. suck, but from every account I've heard their replacements are approximately as bad.

That's a surprisingly popular opinion, considering Dilma wrecked our country and slowly tried to put us in a situation similar to yours, what with "democratizing the media" and stuff. Our voters are pretty ignorant and many are just plain dumb, so they fail to realize it's not realistic to put every corrupt politician in the same spot.

Temer may not be a saint, far from it, but I don't see him doing the same harm Dilma done.

No regret shall pass over the threshold!
HibikiOni Once you question your own belief, It's over. from Maracaibo, Venezuela Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Once you question your own belief, It's over.
#1753: May 26th 2016 at 7:00:03 PM

El TSJ declaró que funcionarios pueden tener doble nacionalidad. Que asco, me cagó en los rojos y en la oposición y me cagó en los Venezolanos estúpidos que se dejan joder. Ahora de seguro si ganamos el revocatorio impugnan el resultado con el TSJ.

PARO NACIONAL Y SE CAE LA REVOLUCIÓN.

I'm the child of the sun! Todo el mundo esta trastornado, todo el mundo la pasa putas.
HibikiOni Once you question your own belief, It's over. from Maracaibo, Venezuela Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Once you question your own belief, It's over.
#1754: May 26th 2016 at 7:01:48 PM

El régimen se declaró en rebeldía desde que impugnaron los 3 diputados nosotros también debemos hacer lo mismo.

I'm the child of the sun! Todo el mundo esta trastornado, todo el mundo la pasa putas.
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1756: May 27th 2016 at 1:11:46 AM

[up][up]no, sencillamente es una forma de decir que ellos hacen todas las putas reglas, ughhhhh

And about dilma: for what I see a lot of people dosent know exactly what is happen right there, many see it as coup against Dilma and other that the oposition are another class of shit(which this being latin america, is pretty fucking likely) while other think is right.

Or let me put it simple term: Venezuela is spongbob season(no the older one, the new one who are shit) while aparenly brazil hace desend into shitty parody of games of thrones.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#1757: May 27th 2016 at 8:06:54 AM

One upside to this crisis is that Mark Weisbrot's credibility has finally exploded.

Thursday 7 November 2013

Now Venezuela is facing economic problems that are warming the cockles of the haters' hearts. We see the bad news every day: consumer prices up 49% over the last year; a black market where the dollar fetches seven times the official rate; shortages of consumer goods from milk to toilet paper; the economy slowing; central bank reserves falling. Will those who cried wolf for so long finally see their dreams come true?

Not likely.

[...]

But how can a government with more than $90bn in oil revenue end up with a balance-of-payments crisis? Well, the answer is: it can't, and won't. In 2012 Venezuela had $93.6bn in oil revenues, and total imports in the economy were $59.3bn. The current account was in surplus to the tune of $11bn, or 2.9% of GDP. Interest payments on the public foreign debt, the most important measure of public indebtedness, were just $3.7bn. This government is not going to run out of dollars. The Bank of America's analysis of Venezuela last month recognised this, and decided as a result that Venezuelan government bonds were a good buy.

Tippy-top kek


Outside of comedy, this analysis of Venezuelan economic history by Ricardo Hausmann and Francisco Rodriguez is particularly pertinent now.

During the 1970s, Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America. With the region’s highest growth rates and the lowest levels of inequality, it was also one of the most stable democracies in the Americas. But starting in the early 1980s, things fell apart. The nation endured three coup attempts and one presidential impeachment. Per capita growth plunged, and mass protests became the norm. What happened?

[...]

For most readers, the question of explaining growth collapses will be secondary to explaining Venezuela before and after Chávez. The book challenges the notion advanced by Chávez and his supporters that neoliberal policies directly led to the implosion of the national economy. In fact, pre-Chávez policymakers were not unambiguously neoliberal, and they were able to restore some growth prior to Chávez’ election. What all readers—both supporters and critics of the former president—will be able to agree on is the primary takeaway of this volume: deep structural problems hidden in the wealth boom of the 1970s, including a shift toward capital-intensive labor, set Venezuela up for economic catastrophe.

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HibikiOni Once you question your own belief, It's over. from Maracaibo, Venezuela Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Once you question your own belief, It's over.
#1758: May 27th 2016 at 11:04:07 AM

El crecimiento durante la dictadura de MPJ se debe a varios factores, nuestra población era mucho más pequeña en ese entonces y los gringos querían a alguien que cuidara del comunismo. Lo que mucha gente olvida es que MPJ nos dejó también una deuda catastrófica que sufrimos después de que lo tumbaron, gracias a Betancourt hubo mucha resistencia al populismo hasta el gobierno de Caldera.

El populismo que sufrimos después se debió a nuestra dependencia del petróleo que todos los políticos explotaron hasta que nació el comunismo de Chavez. Dios quiera dejemos la dependencia del petróleo atrás.

edited 27th May '16 12:24:37 PM by HibikiOni

I'm the child of the sun! Todo el mundo esta trastornado, todo el mundo la pasa putas.
AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#1759: May 27th 2016 at 2:24:58 PM

@Achae

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HibikiOni Once you question your own belief, It's over. from Maracaibo, Venezuela Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Once you question your own belief, It's over.
#1760: May 28th 2016 at 7:36:01 AM

The OAS is considering getting rid of us, have we become that shit hole of a country?

I'm the child of the sun! Todo el mundo esta trastornado, todo el mundo la pasa putas.
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#1761: May 28th 2016 at 12:59:14 PM

Radical tourists have been deluded pimps for Venezuela Do these useful idiots have nor remorse? God I hate the left sometimes.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#1762: May 28th 2016 at 1:06:41 PM

[up]

Cohen is fucking great sometimes.

Radical tourism is no different from sex tourism. In both the political and the coital, the inhabitants of the rich world go to the poor to find the thrills no one will give them at home.

[...]

For their part, political tourists are stuck in a sexless marriage to a Britain that offers them no excitement. The proletariat has refused their entreaties to revolt. Their radical fantasies are never fulfilled. So they, too, scour the world. For years, the top radical tourist destination, the political equivalent of the Pattaya Beach brothel, has been Chavista Venezuela. Hollywood stars, the leaders of the British Labour party and Spanish “popular resistance”, and every half-baked pseudo-left intellectual from Noam Chomsky to John Pilger has engaged in a left orientalism as they wallowed in “the other’s” exotic delights.

Venezuela stroked all their erogenous zones. Hugo Chávez and his successor Nicolás Maduro were anti-American and “anti-imperialist”. That both allied with imperial powers, most notably Russia, did not appear to concern them in the slightest. Venezuela, cried Seumas Milne in the Guardian, has “redistributed wealth and power, rejected western neoliberal orthodoxy, and challenged imperial domination”. What more could a breathless Western punter ask for?

[...]

That they screamed at the regime’s critics instead shows how deep a leftwing version of racism has sunk. Sex tourists need to believe that the women they buy are not like the women at home, who reject them as ugly and dull. These girls just want to have fun. Radical tourists need to believe foreigners do not want the rights they themselves take for granted at home. As they ask others to act out their “anti-imperialist” fantasies, they manage the unique and uniquely degrading feat of combining the delusions of the client, the neediness of the prostitute and the lies of the pimp.

Brilliant rhetoric.

edited 28th May '16 1:07:18 PM by Achaemenid

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#1763: May 28th 2016 at 1:39:58 PM

I'll never forget the jacobin mag piece that in passing lauded chavez and maduro for their fight for women's rights. As in, I'll never forgive their commitment to the cause over the people.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#1764: May 28th 2016 at 2:17:46 PM

Hearing those stupid fucks at Jacobin try to explain this mess half makes me want to go back to the Republicans.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#1765: May 28th 2016 at 3:46:41 PM

Wow, that article was a beatdown.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1766: May 28th 2016 at 4:01:13 PM

While I feel the comparation between that and sex turism a little bit tacky, the part when he compared trump as caudillo was pretty spot on, I have seen similarity between him as Chavez

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#1767: May 28th 2016 at 4:27:41 PM

I don't think it was that tacky, Sean Penn several times came in the defense of Chavez. It is pretty convenient they don't have to live in those shitholes and only need to buy the party rhetoric instead of living how sour thing have become.

Noam Chomsky...I knew him for his computational automata language works but only later and through his Op-Eds in Aljazeera English I found out he had some pretty shit leftist and anarchist ideas.

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Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#1768: May 28th 2016 at 4:41:53 PM

I find it very, very appropriate, especially that last paragraph. More than once have I seen a keyboard revolutionary implying they know what's good for us better than we do.

There's a similar (but less scathing) article here.

Though it's good to remember that there's a significant chunk of not-far-leftists who have been very much against all this and can't be painted with the same stroke, most obviously those in the opposition so demonized by the radical tourists.

edited 28th May '16 4:50:01 PM by Stormtroper

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HibikiOni Once you question your own belief, It's over. from Maracaibo, Venezuela Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Once you question your own belief, It's over.
#1769: May 29th 2016 at 7:36:10 PM

Well, there will always be idiots who defend their political side It's not surprising.

By the way a lot of people are getting separated from their friends and family because of the crisis.

No water, no electricity, no food, violence.

Loneliness

I knew things would be bad but, I honestly never expected this. I wanted to be optimistic and I still am, but at this point I don't blame people for giving up on everything.

I'm the child of the sun! Todo el mundo esta trastornado, todo el mundo la pasa putas.
HibikiOni Once you question your own belief, It's over. from Maracaibo, Venezuela Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Once you question your own belief, It's over.
#1770: May 30th 2016 at 12:43:52 PM

You know the US is recently becoming more and more like a Banana Republic, a lot of people compare Obama with the Latín American Caudillo and Trump is basically a right wing Chavez. Plus, the population is getting polarized because of the illegal inmigration.

I'm the child of the sun! Todo el mundo esta trastornado, todo el mundo la pasa putas.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1771: May 30th 2016 at 2:03:20 PM

[up]Please, would are miles away of having someone like Obama.

But yeah, I have said time and time again that Trump remind A LOT of chavez, not in ideologic but tactics: atack the establishment, set yourself as super politician who can do everything, them mock everyone in a way that make you awsome instead of a prick(or generate jerkass disonance) and them put yourself as sole actor where everything spin.

Chavez WAS that good, not matter how much one hate him, let see if Trump can do better

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#1772: May 30th 2016 at 2:55:13 PM

Pfff, he also alienated more than half of the US voting population, he as as much of a chance to become the president of the United States as Maduro has a chance to unfuck Venezuela.

Inter arma enim silent leges
HibikiOni Once you question your own belief, It's over. from Maracaibo, Venezuela Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Once you question your own belief, It's over.
#1773: May 30th 2016 at 3:57:40 PM

[up][tup]

I'm the child of the sun! Todo el mundo esta trastornado, todo el mundo la pasa putas.
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#1774: May 30th 2016 at 8:41:03 PM

My mom made me tequeños two days ago.

I'm in such a good mood lately.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
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#1775: May 30th 2016 at 11:04:53 PM

[up][up][up]Chavez play everyone around them, I mean you can blame for all this mess but there is one thing: the motherfucker know how to make politics, granted that the oposition have been usless and stupid help him a lot.

Granted there is diferent between culture, Venezuela is WAY more presidencialist(is tha the word?) than EEUU, as latin american country we always have this idea of "if we have one guy who can do all things, it would be great" while in States there is great belive in the system(sometime to the point of stupidity like corrupt cop)

or too put it easier: Venezuela is chaotic stupid to EEU lawfull stupid

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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